The Wheel Of Time- Robert Jordan

[holyboy]

I am reading this new book series called The Wheel of Time. I'm still on the first book, but it seems like a really good series. Just wondering if anybody else has heard of it.

[Sojourner]

HB666 I could kiss you...but I won't. Lol....I have only read book 7...it is rather hard to get that series where I live. All the way in Central america

[tgraveline]

oh yeah, WHB and I have read them for the most part. the only book I have not read is book 0 a new spring. I've read all of the first ten published so far. Can't wait till like october when the next one comes out. Seriously i devoted like a year to those books.

tg

[Sojourner]

oh yeah, WHB and I have read them for the most part. the only book I have not read is book 0 a new spring. I've read all of the first ten published so far. Can't wait till like october when the next one comes out. Seriously i devoted like a year to those books.

tg

I admire you more than you know TG....I can't wait until one of my friends brings down the rest of the books for me. So what is your overall impression of RJ?

[waterhogboy]

I LOVE THESE BOOKS!!!!!!!!!!!! THANKYOU SO MUCH HB666!!!!!!

Holyboy and Sojourner - keep reading ALL the way through the series. It can get a bit heavy at points but never give up!!

Ive read all ten in the series so far and am in the middle of the prequel!!!!

WOOOOOOO!!!!!! Peeps I can discuus them with!!!

[Sojourner]

Maybe you could give me a hint of the general direstion of the series.

[waterhogboy]

No way matey - you'll have to read on and find out for yourself :D

[Sojourner]

That is mean...The person who is bringing down the books won't be back for awhile.

[holyboy]

Ya, I'm suppost to be studying an exam right now ;) but after my exams are done (MON I'LL BE DONE GR 10! W()()T W()()T! NO MORE PYSICS!) I'll be able to read the books. I'm borrowing them from a friend (though they look like they are about to fall apart) but from what I'm reading right now its really good, and I don't like that many books :)

[Sojourner]

I am going to be a Senior, I am so happy all I have is 5 classes next year.
I can't wait until the lady comes down with the books. 2 weeks and counting

[tgraveline]

Yep, you will spend quite a bit of time reading them. I finished them off during the beginning of my stay in germany. So i finished them all in about 8 months or so. I'm a busy person and they are large books. I tell you RJ is quite gifted. His multiple culture universe and his knack for his portrayals of women is well quite a delight and funny. HA ha ha ha ha

tg

[waterhogboy]

Yep, you will spend quite a bit of time reading them. I finished them off during the beginning of my stay in germany. So i finished them all in about 8 months or so. I'm a busy person and they are large books. I tell you RJ is quite gifted. His multiple culture universe and his knack for his portrayals of women is well quite a delight and funny. HA ha ha ha ha

tg

Completely - he's is most def my fave authour. The way he can bring about revleations in the books so that you sit and think "flippin 'eck, i werent expectin that!" Awww - man its great!!

Im a slow reader so it took me about 5 years to read the first ten books. A REALLY slow reader......

[tgraveline]

ha ha ha ha. Just wait till you get to the whole quasilove thing. Awesomely funny and weird. But i must say that perrin was my fav in the beggining, but by the end i'm a mat fan to the end. I just want to see whats up with this chick in the next book.

tg

[Tarkheena_Finduilas22]

Wheel of Time. It just sounds cool by the title!

[Sojourner]

It rocks T_F if you read it I am sure you will at least like it.

[holyboy]

When I first read the beginning of the first book, I never thought that Perrin was going to be a main character, so I kind of brushed him off. Now I regret that...but I have to say my fav character is..oh, I can't decide! Nynaeve and Moirane are a great combo always trying to one up eachother. But Mat is Mat...maybe if i read a bit more I'll be able to decide :D

[Sojourner]

I have to say that Mat is the best, but you know Perrin is cool.

[tgraveline]

yep yep, Lan is the man too by the way and you will understand rand a bit more as time goes on, but seriously so much happens and so many things change its hard to tell what are the best moments.

tg

[Sojourner]

Rand however is my Favorite character, so dark yet at times you can see the innocence

[waterhogboy]

Nyneave rocks!!!! She is by far the best.... SO funny!

I hate Rand - he's like harry potter. Stop being so depressed and grow up! The other guys are just as bad.

I also like Aes Sedai - theyre just so mainpulative and huffy - its great!!!

The thing I find amusing is the way theres so many names that all sound the same - Moirraine, Mirelle, Morana, Merillile, Maighdin, Morgase, Moghedien, Merian... I'm sure there are others that I havent thought of - I get em all mixed up!!!!

[tgraveline]

yeah, believe me you end up just having to learn them all by heart then like with people of a different color, all look the same. ha ha ha. Ok, just a joke, i really am not racist. Love yall.

tg

[waterhogboy]

Watch out tg - you'll get yourself locked up! Oh no wait - thats right - the American legal system doesnt lock people whove committed crimes away!!! Sorry - I forgot. :D

Yeh - they should make a book simply with characters names and information about them so you can remember them when they come back in after a long absence.

[tgraveline]

no kidding. like when you don't hear from perrin in forever, then its mat. I almost went insane during those months of my life.

tg

[Sojourner]

You both know that they akready have sveral books like that. My friend in the states owns 2 of them.

And stop hashing on Rand it is not his fault he has another guy living in his brain.

[tgraveline]

lol, you only know that becuase you started in the middle of the series though, lol.

tg

PS so who thinks rand is going to die?

[waterhogboy]

OOO - Me *waves hand in air*

And I'll be glad when he does :D

[tgraveline]

oh i will feel bad for the girls, but i will have to swoop in on them myself then, lol. All of them sound to be quite hot. Though i think whats her name um, shoot, i've forgotten, its the one Min is it? The one that can see peoples auras. She would be the most fun to hang out with i think though.

tg

[waterhogboy]

oh i will feel bad for the girls, but i will have to swoop in on them myself then, lol. All of them sound to be quite hot. Though i think whats her name um, shoot, i've forgotten, its the one Min is it? The one that can see peoples auras. She would be the most fun to hang out with i think though.

tg

She annoys me a bit - she sounds like a man. Id go for Aviendha - I like a girl with a nice healthy tan. Nyneave sounds nicest!!! I want her! Or a girl called Elyd in A New Spring. The only imperfection in her appearence (as good old RJ puts it) is 'an overlarge bosom'!!! Oh well - we all have to make sacrifices.... :(

[Sojourner]

Lol I think I would have to comfort all of them at once. ;)

[tgraveline]

lol, i like sojos idea the best right now, as i too like a woman with a nice healthy tan.

tg

[waterhogboy]

Hey!!! What bout Sea Folk ladies - go round boats topless dont they???

[tgraveline]

true, but too many piercings and stuff for my liking. I'd be afraid to get caught on one and get a cut, lol.

tg

[waterhogboy]

HAHAHAHAHAHAH!

Hmmmmmmm.... maybe this convo should stop before it becomes a bit un-family orientated!!!

[tgraveline]

who knows, we have not said too much, but maybe you, me and sojo need our own forum with padded walls, lol.

tg

[waterhogboy]

lol! Yes - anywayz - which is your favourite out of all the books youve read so far??

[tgraveline]

Which book is my favorite you ask. Hmm it is the one before the last where mat comes back and half of it is with him in it.

tg

[waterhogboy]

ermmmmmm....... 7 - Crown of Swords.

[Sojourner]

I have only read 7 but I love it...Mat and the Queen rock all those games.

Padded walls.....hmm that would be a rockin forum name!!!!

[tgraveline]

lol, maybe i can get that in there somewhere. Maybe change the name of land of duffers to padded walls. lol

tg

Yes the queen taking advantage of her strong mat was quite funny. I felt bad for the man though, wanting to be a good guy for the most part and just doing his stuff without interference and all. Shame he was well not his own man anymore, lol.

[waterhogboy]

Yes but - we all know who he ends up with...

Well I do. I think its a great storyline - RJ has taken a woman who you would never expect Mat to like, but he will do eventually.

[Sojourner]

No I don't know who he ends up with and you will tell me or I will hold this thread hostage with inane babbling

[tgraveline]

Well, you will see how it comes, as it is hard to explain. lol Good luck there buddy.

tg

[Sojourner]

ARGGGGGHHHHH I will hold it hostage I mean it!!!!!!

[waterhogboy]

Patience is a virtue laddiebuck!

[tgraveline]

I must say i agree with mr. hog over there, sitting and in an idle position just being, well patient if you know what i mean. i think i will just have a light now and let it calm myself. so yeah would you care to have a light.

tg

[waterhogboy]

I hope you do not smoke Mr. Graveline!! It's very bad for you - you know!

So yeh - WoT!! Which country would you live in (includes Seanchan and Shara etc...)

[Johan 72109]

I've got to admit it. I dislike Wheel of Time with a passion. I dislike Robert Jordan's style of writing. Indeed, whenever I get a chance to do so, I will debate with my friend as to it's various merits and demerits, much to the disgust of all around us... hehe... Not that I'm sad or anything... :rolleyes:
So said friend has invited me to air my views on this thread, to allow all of you a fair chance to gang up on me and obliterate my opinions...
However, I will, rather perversely, be joining in on other parts of the thread, as I DO have a lot of respect for the novels and the world they're set in...
So just a warning there... hehehe...

And I'd live in Amador... though none of 'em seem very nice places to live... especially with the whole 'End of the Age' thing going on...

[waterhogboy]

Yeh - I said he should post his views...... but you dont need to listen to them. :) I mean, would you listen to a guy who eats chalk and likes to chase his own tail???? Exactly...... 'he knows nothing' (said in Manuel from Fawlty Towers style!)

[Johan 72109]

Eat chalk? Moi?




Well.... :o




I also do a MEAN Magical Trevor dance, you forgot to mention...

[waterhogboy]

Awwww man johan!!! You proper crack me old lad............ :D

Hmmmm... I feel weird calling you Johan, its like I'm talking to your alter-ego or sommit!!

[Johan 72109]

Ah, but you are Waterhogboy... you are... *mysterious look*

[tgraveline]

how weird of you two. Now where would i like to live now? eh, i forget all the places, lol. I already live in the two-folds land myself, lol. Its hot here. But we have the beautiful women as well. Though not all are so um fiesty, but some are.

Hmm, i think i would be more of a shoot what are the travelling people called? whatever, one of them. Starts with an R i think rogue? nah, that ain't it. Oh well, i can't remember, one of you will though.

tg

[Johan 72109]

Tuatha'an :)

[tgraveline]

That is the colorfully dressed people with the wagons and all? Like the guy that follows Perrin around all the time, a blah with a sword is so weird and all.

tg

[Johan 72109]

Yup. ****, can't post because it's shorter than ten characters... weird...

[waterhogboy]

Dear me tg - call yourself a WoTter, and you don't know the name for the Tu'atha'an!!!! The Tinkers!!! Dear me!!

[tgraveline]

tinkers, thats the name i was lookin for. Oh shut up mr. i know everything and kiss robert jordans old hairy white hand. Yeah thats right.

I couldn't get the name of them aside from the ones in terry brooks series. So confusing having read so many books ya know.

tg

[waterhogboy]

Stop moanin and start bowing to my superior omniscient knowledge!

[tgraveline]

never to a budweiser drinker will i bow down to. You evil feign, i call you out now for a duel. A duel of wits and brute. And my guards *thousands of people come rushing at WHB* Ha ha ha ha ha ha

tg

[waterhogboy]

Yeh but I just get me gal nyneave to wrap em all in air - tuff luck tg!! better luck next time!

[tgraveline]

you couldn't control Nyneave if you were to teach her a lesson. She'd not do it just because you told her too. thats why i got Ahviendha, i just piss her off into doing something, lol.

tg

[waterhogboy]

Scuse me mate - nyneave would do ANYTHING fo ME! I have that effect on ladies. ;)

[tgraveline]

She only has the heart for Lan and you know it. You lost buddy, besides he is a romantic at heart with a story wrapping him up in mystery, beat that.

tg

[holyboy]

I heard from a friend that The Wheel of Time was coming out with a TV series. I just wanted to know if anyone else has heard about this. And if so, who is making it, and when will it air?

[tgraveline]

Really? I have not heard of such rumors, though i do know of a computer game based on the novels. That is already made i believe. Now a tv show, that is something to think about. As well, the movies would have to be quite large to show the scope of such a series. If the money was there, it could be quite neat indeed. Though of course the right cast and the right director would be needed.

tg

[holyboy]

I think the movies would be too long to be able to do them all, what with all the charactor development and the various storylines going on at the same time, it would be hard to do a movie properly. I think thats why they chose to do a TV series. and this video game; I knew this would make a great game from when I first read it. What kind of game is it suppose to be?

[Johan 72109]

TV Series... :eek:
Hmm... it COULD work... but the amount of work needed to stop it turning cheesy would be... horrendous...
Mind you, the first few books ain't THAT bad... it's later on that they go all crappy...

[waterhogboy]

It would never work - how on earth would you get to know all thwe characters!! Theyd have to change the plots loads and that would be awful.

[Johan 72109]

Hmm... true...
But a TV series of the first book? That might work... It'd have to be fairly long, but it'd be possible.
A film however... you're absolutely correct. I've seen the film version of Dune, which sucks a horrendous amount. I've also seen the series, which, while it has A LOT of problems, which is bound to happen in book-to-screen translations, it is very close to the book, and the feel of the book.

But on the whole though... I don't think things should be translated from book to film. Books are so much better.

[holyboy]

But on the whole though... I don't think things should be translated from book to film. Books are so much better.

I like it when they create a book-to-screen version of anything because it gets the regular people who never read books interested in the books, get people intreseted in the wonderful masterpieces of humankind. And I know this will happen with the Narnia books!

[tgraveline]

the only problem with that is now when i read harry potter after i saw the movies first i picture the characters i saw first. So i'm happy with having read all of them so it will be interesting to see some of the new characters and all. See how they fit with my imagination and everything.

We will have to see though. I've always thougth that the new jedi order series would make for a kickin tv show.

tg

[Sojourner]

YEs it would...it would rock..tg you are so right

[holyboy]

For those who are Wheel of Time fanatics and don't know this yet, Book 11 of the series, entitled "Knife of Dreams" will be out Oct 15. The cover of the book is below. Do you think this is a good cover? What do you think will happen in the 11th book? (Remeber, if you are going to spoil another book, notify us with a **WARNING SPOILER ALERT!!** or something like that. Thanks :D)

[Sojourner]

Ok that is a really freaky lookin book cover

[waterhogboy]

Wwwoooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!! I'm so excited - get in!!!!!!!! I keep forgettin its name - Knife of Dreams - ok got it now!

Hmmmm........ book 10 ended horribly - i hope its sorted out quickly in this one!!

I think on the front its perrin, berelayn and two of the others from that storyline - what do you guys think............ wait - you can olny answer that if youve read to book 10!

[tgraveline]

Ha ha, i have not really thought much of it, but i have always thought that the covers were terrible in this series. The artwork makes it look cheesy, but the books kick arse. So yeah, now i know the name and cover and i knew it was october, just not when.

tg

PS so thanks man

[waterhogboy]

Well - I'm not sure about in America, but they stopped doing those covers after book 7 in England. Now they have posh, swanky covers that are just black with the 'Wheel of Time' symbol on, in a different colour for each book. I think it was to try and disassociate the books from the traditional geeky fantasy literature stigma...

[Johan 72109]

I actually always was quite fond of the original book covers... I especially liked the way they drew up soldiers, all in their 17th century style armour despite the series being set in an age without gunpowder or anything like that... One of the few quirks in the series I enjoyed.
The front cover is probably Perrin, Berelain and Gaul, and... erm... someone else... maybe the leader of Berelain's guard or something? (Hehe, I know I haven't read book 10, but I still thought I should answer...) Of course, the Berelain thing's tricky to tell... the number of women described in the series as being beautiful and having black hair, you'd think that 90% of the people west of the Aiel Waste were like that... ;)

[waterhogboy]

I actually always was quite fond of the original book covers... I especially liked the way they drew up soldiers, all in their 17th century style armour despite the series being set in an age without gunpowder or anything like that... One of the few quirks in the series I enjoyed.
The front cover is probably Perrin, Berelain and Gaul, and... erm... someone else... maybe the leader of Berelain's guard or something? (Hehe, I know I haven't read book 10, but I still thought I should answer...) Of course, the Berelain thing's tricky to tell... the number of women described in the series as being beautiful and having black hair, you'd think that 90% of the people west of the Aiel Waste were like that... ;)

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit... :mad:

[Johan 72109]

Ah, but tact is for those not witty enough to be sarcastic... ;)

Hehe... Sorry... cheap shot I know, but I just couldn't resist mate... :o

[tgraveline]

wow, you two bicker like housemaids man. Well i like woman with dark hair as it is, so that i do like in the books. Mmmmmmmmmmmm and mmmmmmmmmmmmm

tg

[Drasil]

So far I've read the first book and it was really good, but my parents hardly ever take me to the library so by the time I got the second book it had been a month since I read the first one and I forgot it all. So now I have to get the first and second one from the library, but I guess thats a good thing because apart from haveing a bad memory I'm a very fast reader and start hyperventilating if I can't get something to read.

[waterhogboy]

Ooooooooo!!! Good one drasil. You really should keep reading. Theyre SUCH good books - try stock up when you next do get to go to the library.

[Drasil]

Yeah, I'll try to get as many as I can when I go but that probably won't happen for a while. Luckily though my mom promised she wouldn't take me school lothes shopping until I went to the library.

[waterhogboy]

OK guys - its that time again. Time for you to solve Jonny's moral dilemma!!!

Knife of dreams came through the post on Monday! (bites lip until its bleeding to stop himself jumping up and down with infantile giddiness) However, its addressed to my sis, and she made me swear not to open it till she gets back on Friday evening. Now, I've survived 2 days, but its sitting there, taunting me, laughing at me.................. I cant bear it!!! What should I do!?!?

[tgraveline]

um, give her a few drinks when she comes home and tell her then what happened. You brits can do that right?

tg

PS i gotta go buy that book soon, just got like three books to read right now, i hate my life!

[waterhogboy]

Hey HB!? How's your WoTting coming along!!??!

[Sam]

I say, let it taunt you. 'cause how good does it feel when you've restrained yourself, and are then allowed to unleash the fury at a later, and more poignant moment....

(err... no. this conversation is not reminding me of many episodes in my very Geeky past)

[tgraveline]

thats good for you sam. Geeky past stuff is good humilation for ya. Builds strong character, and then you will be as strong as Lan, but then again if memory serves me correctly you are a female, so hmm, maybe as stubborn then as nynaeve, lol.

tg

[waterhogboy]

...or maybe as fierce as Leandrin!
...or as devious as Padan Fain!
...or as secretive as Moghedien!
...or as horrifying as Ishamael!
...or as wrinkly as Balthamel!

OK - Ill stop...

[Johan 72109]

You sicken me WHB... :mad:

Hehe, joking... ;)

[tgraveline]

I'm not you sick sick sick, little man.

tg

[waterhogboy]

Meh!?!?! Wha did I say!?!?

[tgraveline]

You know what you said, spouting off names of the forsaken as if they have a good strength.

tg

[waterhogboy]

Actually, only THREE were forsaken. The other two were a twisted worse than evil peddler, and a black ajah lady - so there

Hey!!! Knife of Dreams is super!! The prologue alone is the size of a small book - and its already heating up - Im SOOOOOOO excited!!!

[tgraveline]

Shut up man, i haven't picked up my copy yet. Love ya.

tg

[waterhogboy]

Hey tg, what book you on now?

[Sam]

lol! WHB, I love the unspoken 'hah!' behind your WoT corrections. I wouldn't call you sick, myself, maybe just a little teeny eeny weeny bit sad?

I'm kidding! - and I'm certainly in no position to mock. Anyway, I'm glad you've finally had the pleasure of starting the new book- hope it lives up to expectation. I'm still on number 2, so my future is uncertain... will I be a sceptical Johan? Or an ardent WHB?....

[Sam]

oh, and yup. I am indeed a girl- and of all the WoT characters (I've met) I'd most like to be compared to Nynaeve. So it's all good!

[tgraveline]

Really? I always found her to be the most annoying, interesting, lol. I really think robert jordan hates woman and writes about the ones he knows.

But i'm not on one, i would be on this latest one if picked it up.

tg

[waterhogboy]

Ack - ya shud boy - I've only finished t'prologue and its already getting good!!

[tgraveline]

Yeah i know, but i also already have the new book the historian by elizabeth kostova and i hear its suppose to be really good.

tg

[tgraveline]

Ok, so i skipped out on the historian and i've started reading this book. Its been quite intresting so far. So i'm catching up so we can all talk about it again.

tg

[holyboy]

Ok, so i skipped out on the historian and i've started reading this book. Its been quite intresting so far. So i'm catching up so we can all talk about it again.

I'm still working on the 4th book. I've been way too busy to read it. I am looking forward to what will happen, though, and *gasp* I am actually interested in Perrin's point of view

[tgraveline]

Perrin is really cool early on in the series, but then things happen and he becomes more boring to me, lol.

tg

[waterhogboy]

Awwww!!! Tg!! This books awesome! I'm bout half way thru it. The stuff with Mat is the best.......

I'm so excited!!!

Perrin gets more boring because all he does is moan! 'Oh Faile - blah blah blah!!'

[tgraveline]

Yeah, mat is the man ain't he. I'm like almost 400 pages into the story myself. So i'm probably catching up to you now. So cool stuff and Yes, i have to get to about 550 pages i think till mat's story takes up again. Yeah, he's the only thing worth reading. I just got to a chapter where rand's story picks up again.

tg

PS Perrin needs to become a man again

[holyboy]

I used to always love Rand's story until the third book. Then he became boring for me. "I can do everything. I have to be alone. No one shall control me!" It kinda got old.

All I can say is GO MAT! W()()T W()()T!

[tgraveline]

Wow, it seems that most people like Mat the most as the books come along. Thats the trend i see at least when it comes to guys. Women of course like mat, but they also like the girl characters, but i still stand by the fact that i think that Jordan hates woman, ha ha.

tg

[Sam]

I've just finished the third book, and I can see what you mean about Rand- he's becoming so involved with the whole 'I will not go mad, I will not be a pawn' thing that he's no longer easy to... like, I guess. Still, you know, fair's fair- his life isn't exactly a laugh a minute. I'm still routing for Lan and Nyneave- I love those two. And Loial! he's so great.

Anyway- I love the books. But I now have to start doing reading for college and it's killing me. I could just pick up the fourth one and find out what happens next.... but no, I must restrain myself. :p

[waterhogboy]

RAND IS BORING!!!!!!! Every book his storyline is:

*sit in a palace
*talk to Min
*meet some Nobles
*talk to Lews Therin
*fight some pointless battle
*return to palace to continue sitting, murmumring and disturbing people....

How fun!!! Yes Perrin does need to become a man - he too annoys me. People who rock in book 11 though are - Mat, Nyneave and the person who I cant give away cos it spoils the storyline but who is concerned with the Tower of Genghi, Eelfin and Aelfin and Thom and his letter, and even though they're not 'physically' in the book I think they will be after Min's comment about them..............

........... hopefully tg will know who I mean!?!?!?

[tgraveline]

I'm pretty sure i know who you mean. I just know though that they dont' truly find out yet in this book or not and it has to be in the next one, which sucks to have to wait so long again.

tg

[tgraveline]

Ok, i'm starting to kick myself for not finishing this before i started this semester. You guys will have to help me stick with it and stuff. So Jonny, keep me accountable to finding time for it, lol.

tg

[rosymole]

I've just bought the first one of the series...it's huge..I was quite chocked standing in the airport book shop...I must admit that I hadn't paid much attention to the 'buzz' about WoT on here until a friend mentioned him, at length, a few days ago...i think i may enjoy!

[waterhogboy]

Come on guys lets keep this up!!!! We can do t. I'll be your personal WoT Trainer - and I dont charge much either!

TG!!!! GET DOWN AND GIVE ME TWENNY (PAGES)!!!!!

[rosymole]

Yay for the enthusiasm WHB!!!
I'm lving the longness and hhuge amountsness of the books..they are seeing me right during the never ending train and tube rides each day..although I do find myself thinkg..'well that bits like LotR, and that bit might have been pinched from Indiana Jones...'..still it's fun!

[waterhogboy]

Hehe!!! Its really funny cos for like years there was a woman on my bus reading the series, and each time i saw her she was slowly getting further and further through the books. I wanted to be geeky and run and sit next to her and have a good old chinwag. But I was a cool, respected 17 year old Loiner - so I didnt! I strutted to the back and sat with my feet on the backward facing seats - oh yeh! :cool:

[Tsubasa]

These are great books that are not boring but are sadly ending in 2008 with the release of the 12th book. *sigh*

I got Holyboy into the series. Are you still on the fifth or sixth book? =P

Rand gets a bit more boring by the 11th book, but what's going on around him is pretty interesting. I can't say I really like the whole three-women thing, though. Perrin needs to be a bit more interesting, too.

[rosymole]

I read smopewhere that Jordan is going to make the 12th books the last no matter what..even if it has to be 2,000 pages long! How on earth am I going to carry that around with me??

[LadyEm]

I hear Robert Jordan is sick and might die, and that he might not finish the series so that could be why he's limited himself to 12 books.
Or that could be hearsay, I am not an expert on the subject, lol. 2000 pages though? That'll be like the size of those old-fashioned family Bibles that are hardcover and have pictures of Jesus with little children in them.

I must get the last two books which I haven't read yet...I must I must! I love Robert Jordan.

[rosymole]

I hear Robert Jordan is sick and might die, .

Oh no! That's terrible news..I do hope not..at least not for a while ..I have to finish the series and then bombard him with questioning emails!

[LadyEm]

Oh no! That's terrible news..I do hope not..at least not for a while ..I have to finish the series and then bombard him with questioning emails!

LOL oh Rosy! There are SO many things you could ask him.

I hope he is not either. It'll be awful if he can't finish it! He's developed an epic where he could go on for generations!

[Tsubasa]

No, he plans to write another series after WoT... I think he just doesn't want to drag the story on any more. =P And yeah, book 12 is going to be LONG.

[waterhogboy]

He'd better not bloomin die - or I'll have to have words with him!!!! My friend told me off today cos i got excited abotu the last book and he shouted at me cos i was builidng up the excitement too early seen as we have oiver two years to wait. :(

[rosymole]

Nothing wrong with that WHB, I was doing the same thing today at work..and I haven't even finished book 2 yet..I hear he might be writing a prequel...

[Sam]

I think there is already a prequel- at least, there is one about how Lan and Moirane Sedai met. I have just handed in my portfolio, and have rewarded myself by starting the fourth one. I can't bear it though- I spend so much time worrying that something terrible is going to happen to/with/near/because of Rand. Still, that's the way he keeps us going. And yes, I think it's imperative for my mental health that we refute these rumours of his death! (and of course, there is the aspect of it in which we should hope it for his own sake!)

[rosymole]

Well if/when he does die it will be quite near the end ..i think...I think I'm getting really obsessed with these flipping books now..I was reading away on the train tonight and some random grils were making loads of noise..I very nearly had to use the One Power to silence them...permanently.

[waterhogboy]

Yay - hi again Sam!!! Oooo - I could be nasty and give away plot lines........ but I wont!!! :D

[rosymole]

If you do I will summon alsorts of powers..and not necessarily good ones neither..you men are all the same! *where's my red shawl?!*

[waterhogboy]

Ooooooooo!!! Highest percentage of blacks are reds!!!!! *Summons counsil to gentle Rosy*

[rosymole]

OH!!!You fiend! I didn't know that...although I'd sort of guessed..horrid women! I think I'd be brown...I like the colour, you wouldn't have to wash things very often as the dirt would hide..and you good read loads of books..and maybe not do much fighting...sounds pretty similar to real life actually.

[waterhogboy]

Id be white - cos you can confuse people. but of course - I could never be Aes Sedai - partly cos i cannot channel and also the slight disadvantage that im not a woman!!!

[tgraveline]

Aes Sedai or just awful I think. They think they know everything and whats best for everyone else. Like the woman of today, ha ha, I keed, I keed. Not really, but at the same time I see a lot of the different woman in Jordan's book as classification of different female types we have these days. Its quite interesting.

tg

[Sam]

lol, I'm not sure many women would thank you for the comparison. I reckon I'd be green, partly because of a terrible habit of regular crushes on people, but also because I sort of disapprove of the 'everyone else is secondary to my future as Aes Sedai' thing, which the greens have slightly less. 's probably why I like Min and Nynaeve best of the female characters. Thus far... but who knows what may happen?... (queue mysterious music.)

[Tsubasa]

I'm such a Brown. All that history and whatnot is so interesting! ^_^ Still, the Blues have a number of great characters - all the really interesting ones. n.n

[rosymole]

This time tomorrow I will have begun book three! Huzaah! I feel I have to keep you all updated as my marathon read continues..anyone other than WHB fancy losing some money to me around Christmas time?

[waterhogboy]

You wont finish before the end of the year - I know you wont!!

[rosymole]

You carry on thinking that way HogBoy...I know the truth!

[Sam]

The end of the year... that's quite a long time away. I have a feeling you're gonna be out of pocket, WHB! I'm almost finishing the fourth one, and I'm not sure I can take the tension...

[rosymole]

Feel free to join in Sam, I don't think WHB will mind losing more pennies..it's all in a good cause afterall..furthering the fandom and silly obsession with WoT!

[Sam]

lol, thanks Rosy. Not sure I have the staying power, but I'll let you know how it goes... I will watch the contest with interest.

I have a question for y'all. It seems to me that there's a lot of 'women. they're crazy. No point trying to understand them.' and 'men. they're crazy. No point trying to understand them,' stuff going on. Now, do any of the characters ever start understanding one another? because I feel that sometimes Robert Jordan has a slightly stereotypical attitude to male/female relations!

[rosymole]

It's because it's all so true!!!
No matter what context you put the male/female relationship in it's always the saem 'oh I wonder what their thinking?', and 'oh soandso would handle this so much better than me', with all the other frustrations of , from my humble opinion only, the boys of this world..give them a sword and a few magic powers and I'd still be confused!

[waterhogboy]

Ahhhh - they see through my disguise. I'm using the carrot of competition to make moe WoTites!!!!

Hahah - Johan hated hte books cos of all the stereotypes but like Rosy say - I think its realistic!!

[Sam]

Mmm... maybe you're right. And there are some characters who finally seem to be getting over it! (I don't want to say too much, in case of spoiling it.)

[Tsubasa]

The relationships in WoT are a little strange - they basically come out of nowhere. I mean, unless you have the feeling that these two characters will get together because you think they'd be nice together/they need a partner/whatever, a couple is together before you even realized there might be something between them. I mean, I never thought Rand would get together with some of his...yeah, and Egwene and...

Other times it seems as if someone was introduced/reintroduced for the sole purpose of being a character's partner, and then had a plot develop around them. o.o

Either way, the whole relationship thing confused me greatly.

On the ACTUAL topic, I think Perrin, Mat, and Rand went a little too far in the "person x knows more about women than me" thing. I mean, practically every chapter in some books... and the women always complain about how stupid their men are, or wool-headed or whatever. Is that why they spend more time with each other?

[waterhogboy]

On the ACTUAL topic, I think Perrin, Mat, and Rand went a little too far in the "person x knows more about women than me" thing. I mean, practically every chapter in some books... and the women always complain about how stupid their men are, or wool-headed or whatever. Is that why they spend more time with each other?

Too right - that annoyed me!!! I bet RJ thought he was being really funny!

[rosymole]

Although..in a bity I read not an hour ago on the train home from work, the Amrylin Seat (or whaever she's called..sounds like a car to me) was complaining about men behave when they're ill..(Mat being a sickly poisoned by sparkly thinged fool) it rang true with me!

[waterhogboy]

Yeh - it talks alot about 'man flu'!!!!!

Shes called Suian Sanche - how does that sound like a car??!

[Sam]

Lol. That does ring true.

On another note- I finished the fourth book! 4am last night. I'm feeling very pleased with myself- and I can't wait to read the next one, although I'll have to because I need to start doing some work! But it'll be my post-exam treat, I reckon.

[rosymole]

Shes called Suian Sanche - how does that sound like a car??!

Not the lady as such, but her title..'Drive the Seat Amryrlin..it's great and has a big boot' type of thing

[tgraveline]

lol, i still haven't finished the last book thats out. I'm like halfway through it, but I blame school and world of warcraft. ha ha

tg

Interesting idea for a car name, very british thinking, lol

[Tsubasa]

Her name sounds pretty Spanish to me. o.o Or maybe like a fish...

[Sam]

Maybe you could do a whole range of Robert Jordan named cars. I mean if we're going down that road, I reckon an 'Aes Sedai' would be a pretty cool name for a car...

[rosymole]

'The Rand', greta at the begining, a good reliable family car, eventually breaks down totally and must be sold for parts.

[waterhogboy]

'The Rand', greta at the begining, a good reliable family car, eventually breaks down totally and must be sold for parts.

Hahahaha - nice one!!!

[Tsubasa]

"Lews Therin T" model; extremely powerful and beats all other cars on the road, but will eventually go mad and endanger you and your loved ones before completely breaking down in a rather large and dangerous fashion.

However, it will come to haunt your new Rand car for a while afterwards - not that you'll ever know. =P

[waterhogboy]

Hmmmmmm.... what about........

.....the Cadsuane, 'just keeps going.... and going... and going.......... You'll be WANTING it to break down before long!!!!'

[thomascovanant]

im just Glad someone else has read the books enough to make jokes......although i have a sneaking suspicion that Jordan will die before he finishes this series and i will probably go insane.....oh well life, life i guess.

[rosymole]

although i have a sneaking suspicion that Jordan will die before he finishes this series and i will probably go insane.....oh well life, life i guess.

Oh flippin hope not! I got edgy after the book shop i went into didn't have book 4...if there aren't any more after ..whatever numbers it's got to now..well, if you want to see really crazy, you'd better fit me with a beard and pretend I'm channelling with the best of them!

welcome thomascovanant to the site, i uderstand you a re a friend of young Mr Graveline...you have my sympathies. ;)

anyway..WoT..BOOK 4, BOOK4! with it's lovely purple cover..I'm 3 pages in..and aim to have it finished by Easter..possibly...

[waterhogboy]

im just Glad someone else has read the books enough to make jokes......although i have a sneaking suspicion that Jordan will die before he finishes this series and i will probably go insane.....oh well life, life i guess.

He'd better not!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

[Sam]

Rosy- book 4! you've caught up with me. That is impressive going- WHB, I have a sneaky feeling you're going to be proved wrong. Great picture, by the way. Snape, what a guy.

On another note (and maybe someone's said this already), since I've found out that Robert Jordan is actually ill, maybe we should put a prayer thread up for him? Would that be appropriate? It just seems to me that since we like his books so much, and it sounds like he's going to have a pretty hellish time, it might be an idea.

[waterhogboy]

You are kdding!!!!!!!!!! he s not really ill!?!?!?!

If we prayed for him, itd be like praying for rain during the Ashes in the summer!!!

[rosymole]

eh? that really confused me...althgouh they are oth very very important!

Anyone know of any good WoT fansites? I've found a few but they all seen really serious..anything a bit more light hearted out there?

[waterhogboy]

No - all WoTsites are serious. I joined www.wotmania.com............ but it scared me half to death. I think some people really beleive the world exists and that htey can actually Channel!!! :confused:

[rosymole]

I can see an opening in the market for a new site here!... www.randland.net seems catchy! and if you type it in to a your address bar you find a couple that got married a couple of weeks ago..bizarre)

[waterhogboy]

HAHAHAH!!! wonder what the connection is?!

[rosymole]

I'm on book 5!!!!! My beloved friend has given me 4-8, and one of them appears to be a first edition! It's abit battered..well very battered..but I'm so pleased!
It's a ll happening now!

[waterhogboy]

NOOO!!! STOP!!! I'm gonna have to pay you if you read em at htis rate!!!

[holyboy]

Since this thread has lost it popularity, I'm gonna iUnSticky it

[rosymole]

Oh you fiend HB!

I won't re-stickiy it..as I onl post in here to annoy WHB..Book 6 Jonny boy!!!

also, if anyone would be interested, I was thinking about perhaps starting a mini-silly fansite for WoT..someting less serious than current ones..??

[waterhogboy]

YEH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That be well good Rosy - DO!!!!

[rosymole]

It is created...http://www.freewebs.com/randland well, the emrbyonic form anyway.
If anyone would like to aid me..because I'ma bit lazy and might forget about it, PM or email me and I'll dish out the password etc.

[tgraveline]

Yo! I actually finished this book a couple weeks ago. I must say it got much cooler duruing the last couple hundred pages or so with the whole thing with *SPOILERS* Mat and Tuon, and Perrin and Faile.

Rand is still sort of out of the picture and not much was seen in this book of him. Maybe thats why I liked this one a little bit more. I just hope book 12 will finish it all. I'm just worried because Robert Jordan is going through therapy for his condition. I can't remember what it is called, but he looks like a kimo patient (sp?). So, the situation is that he may not live to finish the series, but he says he plans on doing it and is doing some pretty radical and innovative therapies to try and attack this sickness.

tg

PS there is a site that is his blog, but i forget what the page is. Just search him out and you'll find it.

[waterhogboy]

I'll certainly help rosybry!! If you need out email, PM or MSN!!! :D

Darn it - I cant believe the timster has caught me up *preorders Book 12 and books holiday off uni to prepare to beat him to finish*

[echoscot]

I started reading this series about 20 years ago, when it was first out. I loved the first 3-4 books, after that I got bogged down and bored with it. It seemed like a soap opera. Does it ever pick up again?????

[tgraveline]

Geez Bry, you site needs a lot of help, ha ha.

Don't worry little hoglichboy. You will probably beat me when the next book comes out, if it ever does. This is due to the fact that I am a busy grownup, so the world thinks, honestly, I'm just playing World of Warcraft, ha ha.

tg

[waterhogboy]

I started reading this series about 20 years ago, when it was first out. I loved the first 3-4 books, after that I got bogged down and bored with it. It seemed like a soap opera. Does it ever pick up again?????

You MUST carry on reading (might be best to start from the beginning again if it was 20 years ago!!!).

It does get very slow during books 4-6. I didn't enjoy it much then, but from 7 onwards its thrilling!!! Its a proper 'stick-at-it' kinda book.

I was wondering, would people mind if we started proper discussions in this thread. I ask only because, with only me and timmy who are up to date, i ddnt want people to see spoilers. We will obviously mark in big ***SPOILER*** whenever we say one, but would peeps like rosy mind???

[holyboy]

You know what's sad? I have been reading book 4 for about a year now. Can not really get into it. Oh well, I have all summer :)

[tgraveline]

Hoggyboggyboy, don't you think we shouldn't care, considering, its four mods and one member that actually read this, lol. maybe even more mods, lol. I don't know about you, but I'm not scared of my fellow mods, lol.

tg

[waterhogboy]

You know what's sad? I have been reading book 4 for about a year now. Can not really get into it. Oh well, I have all summer :)

KEEP READING!!! YOU HAVE TO!! WoT is like a marathon, the weak give up, but its more rewarding when you finish it. Just have to break through the pain barrier!

Hoggyboggyboy, don't you think we shouldn't care, considering, its four mods and one member that actually read this, lol. maybe even more mods, lol. I don't know about you, but I'm not scared of my fellow mods, lol.

tg

Too right. Plus the others are women and we can fight them off easily.

****SPOILERS****!!!!!

So, do you think Mat's gonna find Moirraine in the last book, and shes gonna come back in to it?

[tgraveline]

SPOILERS!@##@!##@!$!@$!@$

I think so, but she will definantly not be the same. Though they could just find her dead in there and stuff. I'm most intrigued by that storyline. I'm also curious as to how he and Tuon will meet again.

END SPOILERS ^(&(*^(*^(*^(*&^()&()

tg

[rosymole]

I don't mind about the spoilers, but even I did I would win in a fight with you, so ner.

I can add my own spoilers for those who still haven't read any of them or not got past book 5 yet, pah!

**SPoilers**


I'm sure Moiraine isn't dead anyway - it just didn't seem to fit that she would pop her clogs, and if it had really happened mor of a deal would have been made of it rather than falling of a cart and disappearing or whatever it was..

Alos..the Aes Sedai who's No.2 in the tower now Siuan thingy has been booted out is possibly one of the Forsaken, or something equally scary

And a preidction of sorts..Padan Fain will end up fighting the super tall thingy without any eyes who lives near the dark ones prison..


**Spoilers**

If that made no sense, worry not- i understood it all!

[tgraveline]

Uh huh, i think she fell into a cubboard wasn't it? I dont really remember. Maybe it was big like a wardrobe, lol.

tg

[rosymole]

Now that is something I would love to read..although ..hang on just a cheese picking minute!...wasn't a wardrobe once home to a glamourous lady with odd powers? bit moody, prone to bossing people about??? We must be told!!!

[waterhogboy]

You see - this is why Sirius is not dead!!!! You dont die when you fall into a cupboard/gateway/breadbin do ya?!?!

[tgraveline]

DOn't know, but isn't this about WoT?

tg

[waterhogboy]

Sorry Sir...

But yeh, I think Moirraine is def coming back, becuase if you remember we were told that Min saw something about Moirraine helping Rand near the end, but everyone thought she must have seen it wrong when Moirraine died. But of course, Min has never been wrong....

Also - what do you think the deal with Olivia is??

[tgraveline]

Who is she again?

tg

[echoscot]

Who is she again?

tg

You are joking right? I stopped reading them about 7 years ago with like book 6 or something, but I know who she is. She was like a MAIN character, in the first book it was kind of her fault that everything got started.

[waterhogboy]

Who is she again?

tg

Do you mean Olivia? Shes the really old domani that was released when Rand battled the Seanchan. Mins viewingd say she will 'help Rand die'.

[tgraveline]

Ah yes, the seanchan girl that says she is sworn to him and what not. She was rarely in this book along with Rand, thats why I barely remember.

tg

[waterhogboy]

I just still wonder whether shes actually good or evil. We know shes gonna help Rand die, but is that a good or bad thing?

[Hermyluna]

If she helps him die after he has destroyed the dark one, I will not mind. We have known for a long time that Rand will die sooner or later. I think that after all the things he's been through, it would be kind to let him die. To let him rest.

[waterhogboy]

True - he's annoying as well, so it wouldn't upset me that much ;D

[tgraveline]

Yeah, what would be hardcore is if she helps by killing him with only the help that the seanchan can offer, and as it is, it looks to be that Tuon and Mat will possibly be together in running it or something. Who knows, Mat might be apart of that as well.

tg

[waterhogboy]

I think for definite. I think Mat and Tuon will be the thing that unites Randland and Seanchan for hte Last Battle.

Do you think book 12 will be called The Last Battle or Tarmon Gaidin (sp?) or be given a completely different name?

[tgraveline]

Something completely different. Second, we don't know this is the last book, and still we don't know if he is healthy enough to write it. Though I suppose we could go to dragonmount.com and find out if he is doing alright and is able to write.

tg

[rosymole]

From his last massive blog post he seems to be doing ok- if the length of the post in anything to go by there's little to be worried about.
He come across as sucha nice, personable guy - good for him!

[The Teacup]

i've read part of the first one and then i stopped and i've been meaning to pick up on it cause its really good but its so long @________@ and from what my teacher told me (he reads them to) they never end it seems.

[rosymole]

Book 7!!!!!!
It's twisting and turning like a slippery ell alreqdy and i expect it to get better.

does anyone know if there's any of the books in graphic novel form? I'd reckon on there being aroun 148 of the?

[tgraveline]

eh, so whats happening, I can't really remember what happens in each book, ha ha. Its been so long ago since I've read em.

tg

[KathrynJanewayChakotay]

/i read up to like the third or fourth book and I could not get into them much I thought they were a little boring the ones I did read were good but I just could not get into thetm they way I am into terry brooks Narnia hp etc

[Darth Sparhawk]

way too long and the characters aint realy likable.

[waterhogboy]

Awww thats a shame! They can be hard going at times, but its like a marathon - once you've finished you realise the stitches were well worth it!!

[Georgie the Valient]

I'm on the 3rd book...I haven't read the first...but it seems awfully like a mix of all fantasy. I like it a lot however :D

[waterhogboy]

I'm rereading them at the moment and on the 5th.

I've thought that too George. It seems like Jordan has taken myths and stories from everywhere and created something out of them. I think it works really well though. Its almost as if the characters know similar stories to us, but then the stories become real - not in the fake way of a fairytale - but in a real life sort of sense. Its really great.

*SPOILERS FROM BOOK 4 ONWARD - DO NOT READ ON IF YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW!!!*

I've had a thought since rereading about Lord Luc in Shadow Rising, and the suggestion that he is Slayer. In the Wolf Dream he is pictured as a Malkieri Lord much like Lan, but it seems almost certain that he is infact Lord Luc who is auburn haired and very different looking. Now, this has made me think, could Lord Luc be Tigraine's brother!? He went up to the Borderlands after Tigraine ran off, and so would have come into contact with Malkieri and perhaps thought highly of them - hence is desire to look like them in Tel'Aran Rhiod. Also, we read that someone who looked 'nearly identical' to Tigraine killed Rand's father in the Aiel Waste - whuch would suggest that Tigraine's brother had done so, which in turn suggests he was starting to turn evil!?? What does anyone think...

[lieke]

So i'm going to move and i was in the library of my new town and there they were, so i read the first few pages, and i was like: :eek: this is good!

Now i just have to wait untill i'm a member before i can get them, but i'm so going to read them!

[waterhogboy]

You should - they're an awesome series of books and less than a year till the last one now!

[lieke]

You should - they're an awesome series of books and less than a year till the last one now!
I'm a member of that library now, and i got the first book (the eye of the world (not sure in English)), and started it, but i had to return it, because there were other things that i had to read first and i didn't have time to finish it, i only read a small part, it was quite nice, really exciting, but i got this i-don't-know-how-to-call-it-feeling while i was reading, and i think i have to read further to see why that is, and whether it's positive or not.

btw: welcome back, it's been a while since i've seen you around :)

[waterhogboy]

Thanks lieke. I'm hoping to be her more often now I've got easy internet access!!

I'm afraid there's been some sad news. Robert Jordan the author of the series has died! He'd been suffering from an illness and it finally took him. It's a shame he never got to see the end of his book series.

[tgraveline]

Yeah, I read that today as well. Its a bummer. Though I hear he did finish the 12th book, but some think that even if that doesn't finish the series, that they will hire others to finish it for him as too many people are invested in the series to not get an ending.

tg

[lieke]

That's so sad! :(

[waterhogboy]

Yeah, I read that today as well. Its a bummer. Though I hear he did finish the 12th book, but some think that even if that doesn't finish the series, that they will hire others to finish it for him as too many people are invested in the series to not get an ending.

tg

Yeh, they've got like a team of writers on it. Jordan said that the last book wouldn't tie up all loose ends so there were gonna be more sequels after which I think will all be written too.

I wonder if there will be a noticeable change in style though...

[Darth Sparhawk]

I think that his wife, Harriet will do her best to safe the unique style of Robert Jordan in the last book.

[rosymole]

I was very upset to hear about RJ's death..and just after i'd finished book 11 too!
Even though i haven't shown my face around here very much in these past months i thought i'd make a brief show..this was one of the first places i heard about the series so it seemed right.

Re the end of the series i've also heard that book 12 will be out but the publishing ate will be extended by quite a while- apparentl RJ was pretty diligent and kept writing for as long as he could, and gave all the necessary plot details to his wife and cousin so they can finish off what he started.

hope you guys are all well.xx i'll try not to leave it so long next time!

[waterhogboy]

Woop! Rosy's come for a visit!

I wonder whether the publish date, which was next august, will be pushed back as a result...

[waterhogboy]

Right I'm folding to the exterior pressure. :(

This is a very sad day because I am unstickying WoT because no-one cares about it except me and long gone members. It br3eaks my heart to do it, but it's hanging up the top there looking stupid. I will however continue to attempt to revive this thread and get it back where it should be!!!

[waterhogboy]

Breaking all rules of thread etiquette ever invented I am now posting for a third time in a row, but I am desperate to find someone who likes this series. Now rosymole, sam, tg and holyboy don't come round here I need fresh blood... and they didn't talk about it that much when they were here!!

[waterhogboy]

I am about to commit the greatest netiquette felony, quadroposting, but i don't care - i need to talk with someone about these books!!! Surely there must be one person among those 6,000 who is a fan!?!? *wails in grief* :(

[Dernhelm]

I had the impression that they were rather a knock-off of The Lord of the Rings –

*dodges*


...what a waste of good tea. :(

*mops up thread* There. Now, what was I saying? Oh yes.

So, are they worth a read? I could use some more books – I'm running out.

[waterhogboy]

They're really nothing like Lord of the Rings!! There is one similarity which is between descriptions of Black Riders and Myrdraal but that's pretty much it apart from things like their being an Old Tongue - but lotr can't keep dibs on that!!! There's no elves or dwarves or hobbits. No dragons or demons or orcs or goblins. There is a dark lord but he's not really in it. The story has no parallel to lotr at all. It's debatably set in our world (though this is almost believed by no one - exept me!!)

I reall recommend reading them. They're slightly more adult reading than lotr but the only thing you need to watch out for is violence and very slight reference to things.

[Dernhelm]

Hm. I'll see if I can get hold of them. (after reading Grimms fairy tales, violence, at least, usually isn't a problem ;))

Edit: Goodness! Which is the first one?

[waterhogboy]

Yeh - the references are particularly mild and uncommon. Things are hinted at but never described pretty much.

[Georgie the Valient]

Dernhelm, the 1st book has 2 parts to it- From the Two Rivers and To the Great Blight < I think they're called that
The books are great...I read until 11....Rand is VERY annoying though...


PS:I heard Robert Jordan is dead but he outlined the plot for the 12th book and somebody else is writing it. Is that true?

[Dernhelm]

According to everything I've read, yes.

[waterhogboy]

Dernhelm, the 1st book has 2 parts to it- From the Two Rivers and To the Great Blight < I think they're called that
The books are great...I read until 11....Rand is VERY annoying though...

Rand is annoying and continues to be but the focus lessons on him throughout the book and you read all about the other cooler characters so it's ok.

[Dernhelm]

I'm about halfway through the first book – and I have to say, in spite of its flaws, it is a fun book. The pacing is not the best, and there are a lot of clichés, and the feminism is awful! But all of these (except the feminism :() are easy to correct in my head, so I really am enjoying the book. Lloyd Alexander and Robert Jordan are equally bad at names – very Tolkienesque, but they only look nice; they sound dreadful. ;) Neither wrote great literature, but both are fun. (But really, what is this thing about girls on adventures having names that begin with E, and include a w? Lloyd Alexander: Eilonwy, Robert Jordan: Egwene. :p J. R. R. Tolkien: Éowyn. Am I imagining things?)

To be fair, I probably would be less critical if I had read the book before reading things like: The Fantasy Novelist's Exam (http://www.rinkworks.com/fnovel/). It's funny, although the 'bad guy who is the father of the hero' comes from Star Wars, not Tolkien or Lewis.

I'll go finish the book now. :D

[waterhogboy]

I'm about halfway through the first book – and I have to say, in spite of its flaws, it is a fun book. The pacing is not the best, and there are a lot of clichés, and the feminism is awful! But all of these (except the feminism :() are easy to correct in my head, so I really am enjoying the book. Lloyd Alexander and Robert Jordan are equally bad at names – very Tolkienesque, but they only look nice; they sound dreadful. ;) Neither wrote great literature, but both are fun. (But really, what is this thing about girls on adventures having names that begin with E, and include a w? Lloyd Alexander: Eilonwy, Robert Jordan: Egwene. :p J. R. R. Tolkien: Éowyn. Am I imagining things?)

To be fair, I probably would be less critical if I had read the book before reading things like: The Fantasy Novelist's Exam (http://www.rinkworks.com/fnovel/). It's funny, although the 'bad guy who is the father of the hero' comes from Star Wars, not Tolkien or Lewis.

I'll go finish the book now. :D

Pacing is quite a big problem, but bear in mind this is a twelve book long series, and the world Jordan creates is so rich, it's worth plodding through!!

The feminism is there I see more to contrast the masculism (if that's a worse), one thing Jordan does well is depict opposing views with little bias, so you'll find people throughout the books, none of whom are evil, but who all believe their ways and beliefs are right and so conflict with the main characters (who are only good cos we read from their point of view). In this way te feminism is characteristic of the feminine characters - and there is a whole reason as to why the world is so much more feminist than ours... which you will slowly discover...

The name thign is very true. But there is some intention I think. There are names you will meet throughout the series; Artur Paendrag (Arthur Pendragon), Gawyn (Gawain), Galad (Galahad), Egwene (Gwinevere). Clearly there's references intended here.

[Dernhelm]

The pacing improves immensely in the second half; I must admit, the first half was actually a slight effort to read. :p The second is far more interesting. :D Artur Paendrag, Gawyn, Galad, and Elayne are definitely references - I'm not sure about Egwene (unless there is some plot parallel later in the series?) - it's certainly possible. Also, Morgawse (can't remember the spelling in the book, but the Queen).

I can't help thinking the Ogair (sp?) are rather like Ents :p You know, s l o w, talking to trees, even a 'hasty' one, like Quickbeam. But . . . then, I guess everyone borrows. Tolkien borrowed from much older sources. Why doesn't that strike people the same way?

[waterhogboy]

I can't help thinking the Ogair (sp?) are rather like Ents :p You know, s l o w, talking to trees, even a 'hasty' one, like Quickbeam. But . . . then, I guess everyone borrows. Tolkien borrowed from much older sources. Why doesn't that strike people the same way?

You're right, and actually, you'll see later that they're even more like Ents. I just see them as different cos they're not trees - really I think of the Nym more like Ents - that's almost a direct parallel.

There may be some parallels, but I think if you keep reading on, you'll realise those parallels are actually very small parts of the plotline and the big themes and the overarching plotlines are really quite original.

So you gonna keep reading them!!! They get better after book 1 i think. They move from typical fantasy novel to epic in book 2 - so much is begun to be introduced - the detail of the world is expanded dramatically, where Jordan really begins to bring the books into their own. My favourite game is trying to parallel the cultures of the books with cultures n our world (though often they're like a mix of two or even three) eg. Carhien has hints of Western Europe in their architecture and personality, but their dress and appearance is quite Japanese. Similarly, the Amadicians remind me very much of the Early Founding Fathers of the Americas while Andor is very English. You'll see more as you read. It's so exciting!!!!

[waterhogboy]

So Derny - have you read any further??

Also - they might be making a FILM!!!!!!!!!!!!

[waterhogboy]

Well, it's time for me to surface this thread again in the hope that someone out there may know of the books! They're a great series and I'm currently reading the twelfth book which was published a few months back!

If you've read them or even heard of them please comment!