Jadis vs Jadis

[I♥Georgie]

Wich Jadis would win in a fight you can't just tell she's your favorite. by what powers would they use :)

[Elf Of The Grey Havens]

As in, Jadis BBC and Jadis Walden-Media?

[I♥Georgie]

As in, Jadis BBC and Jadis Walden-Media?
yes ;) bbc and disney

[EveningStar]

No, as in Kramer vs. Kramer.

Mr. and Mrs. Jadis are having a nasty split up because they can't agree on anything, such as who gets the poodle, who gets the porche, who gets the paddleboat, not to mention a whole host of other things that DON'T begin with the letter P!

[I♥Georgie]

wAHT YOUR CONFUSING ME :eek: :confused:

[Elf Of The Grey Havens]

John cut it out, you could confuse Aslan.

[I♥Georgie]

i just wanna see wich jadis people think is powerful :(

[Love_Punch]

I think waldin-media would win :p

[I♥Georgie]

diddo i like walden media :)

[<Turkish Delight>]

Yep. Walden Media Jadis would defently win the BBC Jadis.

[waterhogboy]

I disagree. BBC Jadis would win and I will give reasons to back up my argument:

-She is much scarier, shouts much louder and would instil more fear in Walden Jadis.
-Her magic uses poofy clouds to distract and confuse walden Jadis - walden Jadis is slower magic and no poofy clouds!!! (its all about the poofy clouds)
-BBC Jadis has a dwarf with a thick Yorkshire accent and that just rocks, beats the guy with the 'cant talk properly' accent.
-BBC Jadis has better fashion sense
-BBC Jadis doesn't need polar bears to back up her armies and is obviously scary enough in herself.
-BBC Jadis castle isnt made of ice and so wouldnt melt when the sun came out
-BBC Jadis has cartoons to fight her battles - how do you kill a cartoon??!?!
-BBC Jadis sounds like a man - that would confuse Walden Jadis further
-BBC Jadis is played by an English actress. Walden Jadis is played by a Scot. I think thats the decider, BBC Jadis takes the crown!

[I♥Georgie]

Here's resons why walden jadis is better:
Has better sword fighting than bbc jadis
has a better wand
has better fasion sence (bbc jadis has a ugly dress)
bbc jadis can't take a punch
walden jadis dwarf is more of a thret than her other minoins
bbc jadis is uglyyyyyyyy
has a better crown
she kills animals to make her cloths
has a cool castle

[tottyfruitty]

i think walden media jadis would win cos
she is more evil
more modern
and more powerful

[~JadisTheWhiteWitch~]

I agree the Walden Jadis would win

[I♥Georgie]

Go Walden Jadis :p :)

[Wunderkind]

Walden Media,definately.She's more powerful...and Tilda rocks! :D

[noticeablyNARNIAN]

D/WM would basically own BBC's Jadis.
I'm just saying.

[Queen Swanwhite]

Jadis from Walden's because she acts more evil. The BBC one just shouts alot, but the Walden one, she really is evil. The BBC one is just scary. Tilda would win hands down, because she can use those two swords pretty well! :D

[~JadisTheWhiteWitch~]

Jadis from Walden's because she acts more evil. The BBC one just shouts alot, but the Walden one, she really is evil. The BBC one is just scary. Tilda would win hands down, because she can use those two swords pretty well! :D


I agree :D

btw what is your banner of?

[Queen Swanwhite]

I agree :D

btw what is your banner of?

When Susan and Lucy are following Aslan....methinks

[Wunderkind]

Jadis from Walden's because she acts more evil. The BBC one just shouts alot, but the Walden one, she really is evil. The BBC one is just scary. Tilda would win hands down, because she can use those two swords pretty well! :D

You're so right about that :) Shouting people have never scared me to be honest,but that empty,dark coldness...it is scary.And so powerful.

[Galadriel]

I always got a more sleeping beauty eveil queen type feeling from jaids. Kind of part Boediciea and part Sleeping beuaty fairest of them all combo.

But LWW from Disney is pretty scary because she plays it kind of ...icy.

[Twilightdryadhobbit]

Can the Jadis from Disney use her army? Because if so, she would definitely win. Her scary minotaurs and werewolves, etc. beat the cartoon whatevers of the BBC version all hollow.

But if it was just lady vs. Lady... well...

I think I'd still say Jadis in the Disney version. She has some whip hide fighting skills, and can wield both a sword and a wand to deadly extents. The other Jadis was mostly just, yell, bring the wand waaaaay up and point! You could definitely see the blood lust in her eyes, but she's too dramatic. The Disney Jadis would be stabbing her while the BBC brought her wand up for the kill. Disney Jadis gloats a lot less and gets down to business much better.

[King Of Narbithia]

Well,i mean Jadis from walden media has to touch her enemy with her wand for them to turn to stone..BBC's Jadis just has to point. but idk, Walden medias jadis is more like a witch and more freaker, so i would probably say Walen Media's Jadis, shes better with a sword than the bbc one


LONG LIVE ASLAN!

[I♥Georgie]

Well,i mean Jadis from walden media has to touch her enemy with her wand for them to turn to stone..BBC's Jadis just has to point. but idk, Walden medias jadis is more like a witch and more freaker, so i would probably say Walen Media's Jadis, shes better with a sword than the bbc one


LONG LIVE ASLAN!


yeah jadis was more violent with two swords :rolleyes:

[Narniafan357]

Jadis of Disney!She was awesome with the swords!!!
Tilda Swinton is a much better Jadis.She gives the character of the White Witch a better feel.

[I♥Georgie]

I told everyone she's a better Jadis :D

[OnceUponaTime]

BBC Jadis. Because:
1.She is a lot truer to the book. Lewis wrote her as strong, powerful, loud, and sort of...unsettled in Narnia. She's not in her element, she is a witch, but she is also a spoiled brat. She was used to getting her way in Charn and she is used to getting her way in Narnia. That's how the BBC Jadis is. Almost......well, scared. Walden Jadis is too sure of herself, too overly confident.

2. She looks like Jadis. Again, Lewis wrote her as dark-haired, white-skinned.(As in the color WHITE, like snow. Not peach.) Red lips, and wild eyed. and very intimidating.

3. She has a better emotional pull over people. When you are watching the Turkish Delight scene, you become Edmund, and you feel all the emotions coming from Jadis. You are scared at first, by her wild eyes and loud voice, but you are also entranced by her sort of...grace. Then Edmund thinks she likes him, your heart just leaps, and you're blissfully happy for a few fleeting moments. But then you are just sick when you get to the castle and she is all horrible. Walden Jadis doesn't convey that much emotion.

So BBC wins. Atleast to me.

[Rhyanidd]

BBC Jadis. Because:
1.She is a lot truer to the book. Lewis wrote her as strong, powerful, loud, and sort of...unsettled in Narnia. She's not in her element, she is a witch, but she is also a spoiled brat. She was used to getting her way in Charn and she is used to getting her way in Narnia. That's how the BBC Jadis is. Almost......well, scared. Walden Jadis is too sure of herself, too overly confident.

2. She looks like Jadis. Again, Lewis wrote her as dark-haired, white-skinned.(As in the color WHITE, like snow. Not peach.) Red lips, and wild eyed. and very intimidating.

3. She has a better emotional pull over people. When you are watching the Turkish Delight scene, you become Edmund, and you feel all the emotions coming from Jadis. You are scared at first, by her wild eyes and loud voice, but you are also entranced by her sort of...grace. Then Edmund thinks she likes him, your heart just leaps, and you're blissfully happy for a few fleeting moments. But then you are just sick when you get to the castle and she is all horrible. Walden Jadis doesn't convey that much emotion.

So BBC wins. Atleast to me.


-She is much scarier, shouts much louder and would instil more fear in Walden Jadis.
-Her magic uses poofy clouds to distract and confuse walden Jadis - walden Jadis is slower magic and no poofy clouds!!! (its all about the poofy clouds)
-BBC Jadis has a dwarf with a thick Yorkshire accent and that just rocks, beats the guy with the 'cant talk properly' accent.
-BBC Jadis has better fashion sense
-BBC Jadis doesn't need polar bears to back up her armies and is obviously scary enough in herself.
-BBC Jadis has cartoons to fight her battles - how do you kill a cartoon??!?!
-BBC Jadis sounds like a man - that would confuse Walden Jadis further


BBC for me, because of the above reasons, both humours and serious.;)

-But also because the 'Icy Coldness' that some said that Walden's Jadis had didn't effect me. It was just like 'Am I supposed to be scared? Because I ain't.' Icy Coldness can be scary, but Tilda just didn't pull it off right. While BBC's Jadis makes you jump when she shouts. I don't get scared easily, either.

[stronger_WM]

I personally always like the BBC version of Jadis. I saw it first, so to me, that's exactly how the White Witch was supposed to look like. When I saw Tilda Swinton being the WW in the Disney one, I was a little shocked and I didn't like her too much. SHe was a good actress...but to me, she didn't fit the description.

Then of course my friends pointed out how the WW was supposed to be animalistic, but i still liked the other actress as the WW. Tilda Swinton has grown on me, but I'm still stuck with my ways.

[Twilightdryadhobbit]

BBC Jadis. Because:
1.She is a lot truer to the book. Lewis wrote her as strong, powerful, loud, and sort of...unsettled in Narnia. She's not in her element, she is a witch, but she is also a spoiled brat. She was used to getting her way in Charn and she is used to getting her way in Narnia. That's how the BBC Jadis is. Almost......well, scared. Walden Jadis is too sure of herself, too overly confident.

2. She looks like Jadis. Again, Lewis wrote her as dark-haired, white-skinned.(As in the color WHITE, like snow. Not peach.) Red lips, and wild eyed. and very intimidating.

3. She has a better emotional pull over people. When you are watching the Turkish Delight scene, you become Edmund, and you feel all the emotions coming from Jadis. You are scared at first, by her wild eyes and loud voice, but you are also entranced by her sort of...grace. Then Edmund thinks she likes him, your heart just leaps, and you're blissfully happy for a few fleeting moments. But then you are just sick when you get to the castle and she is all horrible. Walden Jadis doesn't convey that much emotion.

So BBC wins. Atleast to me.


I can see the reasons for giving the BBC Jadis the edge, but I still would go for the Walden/Disney one. Just talking about these reason for instance:

1. You know, Jadis kind of does have a reason to be overly confident. She's ruled for a hundred years! Easily! And any resistance is easy to deal with because she can just turn them into stone! I also think the Jadis in W/D acts scared too, but she's scared of what she should be scared of. She's scared of Aslan, and she's scared and livid when the Narnians start to think of the children as thier rulers instead of her. The BBC version is way melodramatic. I think you're estimation of her as a spoiled brat is probably true, but I think to inspire more fear and loyalty in her followers she would need to hold the spoiled brat part in more than she does in the BBC.

2. Ok, you are totally right on about the white skin, dark hair thing. I really don't know why they didn't do that. Maybe they were trying to avoid the clown or mime look? But it worked ok in the BBC version. Maybe it wasn't working in the W/D version so they changed it. (Actually, to be absolutely truthful, it wasn't until I finished watching the movie that I said to myself: "Hey! She wasn't white at all! What's up with that?!" I noticed it in pics beforehand, but during the movie it didn't bug me.

3. I think the Jadis in W/D conveys enough emotion to get you to understand her, but not so much that Edmund looks like a complete and total idiot for trusting her at all. In the BBC version she's yelling at him every other minute, and not in a nice voice. Even when she's talking in a nice voice it sounds totally fake, (Even when I was a kid is sounded fake) and it makes me wonder how Edmund could be dumb enough to be taken in at all. When she changed while inside her castle, it wasn't really a huge change, at least for me. In the W/D version she actually seemed genuine in her liking of Edmund, and only let her spoiled self that wants only what she wants slip through a couple times (Like at the end when she refuses to give him more Turkish Delight). In fact, it kind of even reminded me of the serpent in the Garden of Eden. She tells sort of half the truth to lure Edmund in. ( Did God say you can't eat from any of the trees in the garden) She says she could see him becoming King of Narnia some day, which he of course, does, but not all by himself. (They could not eat from one tree, but they could eat from all the others) And she does it in a nice way, so when she switches to hating him it is really a switch, and not just the dropping of a very, very thin facade.

I've been thinking about this a fair amount since I'm actually playing Jadis in a LWW play this Decemeber, and I've been thinking of the best way to play her. Going back to the book, I really see more evidence for the W/D's interpretation of the scene with her and Edmund for instance. Even at the very end of the scene, when she yells at him, in both versions of Jadis, in the book she just laughs beautifully and rides away. She laughs, not yells, that really surprised me when I reread it. I'd been used to thinking of it the way I had seen it in the BBC version, and in the book she was very different.

I'd love to hear any more opinions about the way Jadis should perhaps, have been played, so I hope someone else posts here to continue the discussion!

[Sir Godfrey]

I think the waden Media Jadis (Tilda Swinton) would win in a fight against the BBC Jadis.

[Lucy The Lionness]

I felt Tilda played the Witch better than the BBC Witch, I preferred her icy voice and her cold demeanour. I'm sorry but the BBC Witch didn't frighten me at all as a kid, I just laughed at her overly dramatic portrayal of the part.

In looks, BBC wins... in Acting... Disney Walden Media wins!

[Twilightdryadhobbit]

I felt Tilda played the Witch better than the BBC Witch, I preferred her icy voice and her cold demeanour. I'm sorry but the BBC Witch didn't frighten me at all as a kid, I just laughed at her overly dramatic portrayal of the part.

In looks, BBC wins... in Acting... Disney Walden Media wins!

Totally true. I don't understand the blondness or the peach skin.... :confused:

[Wunderkind]

The Tilda Swinton-version would win all the way!She totally rocks!

[narniakween101]

Yep. Walden Media Jadis would defently win the BBC Jadis.
i agree 100% she would totally waste her

[Sir Godfrey]

I beleive the Tilda Swinton would win, she's by far better.

[Twilightdryadhobbit]

I beleive the Tilda Swinton would win, she's by far better.

It might make this thread more fascinating if a couple people could give a few reason why Tilda Swinton's Jadis is better.

[AlfredtheGreat]

I honestly think the BBC one would if she had the right equipment

[waterhogboy]

I really do find the BBC version far more frightening. Tilda is cold and icy and evil granted, but they BBC one borders on psychotic!! I'd definitely not want to hang around her for too long, with her wavy stone-making wand if she was in one of her moods.

[Darth Sparhawk]

Walden Media Witch is frightening. BBC one was creepy, nut the Walden Media one seems wild and wicked, like some sort of dragon, she embodies the forbidden magic, which she uses.
But please note that I like ALL Walden Media actors better.

[Sir Godfrey]

I like Tilda Swinton as Jadis the best. Although when I was kid the BBC jadsi was creepy. Overall I jsut like how Tilda palyed a deceptive and cruel Jadis. she also has mad sword skills :D .

[Darth Sparhawk]

Yeah, I was stunned while I watched the movie.

[Wunderkind]

Yeah, I was stunned while I watched the movie.
Me too! She totally rocked with the swords! Every time I watch that scene I go like "Wooooow....I wish I could do that!"
I haven't seen the BBC version YET,so I don't really know how that Witch is like,but she doesn't LOOK all that powerful..and she doesn't look like a swordfighter either.

[Darth Sparhawk]

While I watched her swordsplay she reminded me of general Griveous from Star Wars, but with arrogance and comfidence. However, Peter challenged her and although that he was not on her level, his courage was amazing.
BBC Which is just wicked, creepy lady. Scary, but not nearly as much as Walden media witch.

[Wunderkind]

I know many many people pictured Jadis as dark haired when they read the book,but I didn't.Somehow I always pictured her hair blonde.Maybe not in dreadlocks,but blonde.
However,the Walden Media one rocks! Thanks to Tilda Swinton for doing such a great job on playing her!

[Darth Sparhawk]

Yes, she was absolutely amazing in her role, one of the coolest fantasy villains.

[Sir Godfrey]

I agree she's one of greatest villains of all time, she's right up there with Darth Vader and The Witch King for me.

[LifeMaiden]

In many of the pictures of Jadis, even the concept art for Disney's Narnia, she IS portrayed as dark-haired, sort of Gothic looking, like the Queen from Snow White. And in many ways she kinda reminds me of the queen from Snow White. Very proud and beautiful.


Look at these versions of Jadis:
http://www.narniafans.com/forum/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=712627

[Wunderkind]

Yes, she was absolutely amazing in her role, one of the coolest fantasy villains.
Yeah.She's my all time favourite villain!

[Sir Godfrey]

I really got the shivers when in the dawn treader, they find the stone knife at Ramandu's island.

[Darth Sparhawk]

BTW I have sort of stupid question. Is the Green Witch from "Suilver Chair" Jadis as well?

[Wunderkind]

BTW I have sort of stupid question. Is the Green Witch from "Suilver Chair" Jadis as well?
Many people think so,but I'm not one of them.Maybe they were related to each other,but not more than that :D

[LifeMaiden]

BTW I have sort of stupid question. Is the Green Witch from "Suilver Chair" Jadis as well?

Well, one member here, Copperfox, said in a Russian translation of The Silver Chair, that the Green Witch was actually Jadis raised from the dead. Also that would be troublesome because it would mean that Aslan's power to vanquish evil was not absolute...and she came back. Personally I think the Green Witch is another lady, maybe related to Jadis, but not the same person.

[Son of Adam]

I agree with LM on this one. To say that it was Jadis raised from the dead would be like saying that Jesus didn't have the final victory over Satan. Aslan is the Ultimate Power in Narnia. He created Narnia and set things in motion. He knew that the White Witch would gain in power over time after the incident in The Magician's Nephew. Yet He had a plan in place even then for the overthrowing of Jadis through the Pevensies. He knew the beginning from the ending, just as Jesus, our Aslan, knows the same.

[Darth Sparhawk]

Well, if she is a relative of Jadis, i wouldn't like to meet the whole family. Thank you for the answers. :)

[Wunderkind]

Well, if she is a relative of Jadis, i wouldn't like to meet the whole family.
Haha me neither..:)

[AlfredtheGreat]

I totally agree

[Darth Sparhawk]

Hey, I think that I remembered that Jadis blamed her sister for the destruction of Charn. Could the Emerald Which be this sister? ;)

[Twilightdryadhobbit]

Hey, I think that I remembered that Jadis blamed her sister for the destruction of Charn. Could the Emerald Which be this sister? ;)


Probably not. Jadis blamed her sister for "forcing" her to speak the deplorable word which destroyed all life on Charn except for Jadis. So the chances of Jadis' sister being alive are mighty slim, unless of course Jadis' spell work is not as good as she thinks, possible I suppose, but unlikely, since Jadis waited till she and her sister were "face to face" before she said the word that would destroy all life. So probably her sister got the full force of it.

I have always wondered about the Emerald witch. Did Jadis marry and have some offspring or something? Or was it Jadis brought back like the hag and werewolf were suggesting in Prince Caspian?

[Darth Sparhawk]

Still, there is a lot of similarities between the two witches.

[Sir Godfrey]

Well, one member here, Copperfox, said in a Russian translation of The Silver Chair, that the Green Witch was actually Jadis raised from the dead. Also that would be troublesome because it would mean that Aslan's power to vanquish evil was not absolute...and she came back. Personally I think the Green Witch is another lady, maybe related to Jadis, but not the same person.

I agree with LifeMaiden completely.