White and Green

[Euphrates]

Hi everyone! I'm new and my name is Aaron.

I was recently discussing the relationship between Jadis and the Green Lady with a few people. The more I think about it, the more likely it seems that Jadis was the Lady of the Green Kirtle also.

Do you all think it is possible for Jadis to have come back to life after Aslan killed her in LWW? I mean, the hag in Prince Caspian said it could be done. Or is it possible that Jadis never really died in LWW, but her fellow creatures thought she was dead? I'm not sure.

All I know is that there are too many similarities between the White Witch and the Green Lady for us to simply assume they are not, in some way, the same. What do you think? :confused:

[The Prince]

Well I have sort of noticed simalarities but never thought the same just seems like all bad guys are the same ;)

[Euphrates]

Right, but there are many more similarities than just "they're both bad".

For example, the White Witch is associated with cold right? Well, after Eustace, Puddleglum, and Jill encountered the Green Witch on their way to the giant's place, it became very cold. So cold, in fact, that it was a main reason the children decided to go to the giant castle the Witch had recommended. *Almost like she made it cold...

Also, the Dwarves that rescued Jill, Eustace, Puddleglum, and Rilian were doing the Great Snow Dance. Interesting, huh? And the Green Witch had promised Prince Rilian a place of nobility, just like the White Witch promised Edmund a place of nobility. Their tactics are very similar.

Furthermore, Jadis tempted Digory in the garden in MN. Kind of like a snake, right?

I also think that the poem in The Silver Chair hints that the Green Witch was once the White Witch, because Rilian says something like "she knows it well" or something that I read as "she knows what it's like".

And, of all the places to attack, the Green Witch is attacking Narnia. Keep in mind that enough time had elapsed between LWW and SC to hatch a new plan and enslave the underground men.

But the main point is that Aslan says that Jadis will have "endless days", so I don't see how the WW could have died unless we can distinguish between Jadis and the WW. Like the WW was a personality of Jadis, and so was the Green Lady.

Thoughts?

[DryadofLanternWaste]

I believe Jadis in MN, the white witch in LLW, the hag in PC, and the Lady of the Green Kirtle in SC are all one and the same. I'm going to pose another question here. If one were to parallell this world and Narnia, would Satan be represented as Tash or Jadis?

[Euphrates]

I'd have to say Jadis is the better representation of the devil. First off, Aslan shows his power over Jadis without question. But does Aslan ever show his power over Tash? Does Aslan ever meet with Tash? As I remember it, there is no interaction between Aslan and Tash throughout the CoN. Plus, Tash only gets brought into the picture late. I think Tash represents Vishnu, or any god of another religion. You don't see Tash doing bad things, just people doing bad things in the name of Tash.

Yeah, Jadis better represents the devil than Tash. Jadis keeps getting defeated, yet keeps coming back (because she will not cease to exist until the "Last Battle" when we all go "home"). She tempted Digory in the garden, etc.

What do you think?

[waterhogboy]

The point I'm about to make sort of falls down in the fact that Tash actually appears in the Last Battle, but could it be that Tash is simply another religions distorted view of Aslan. THis would be much like the opinion that other major world religions are worshipping the Christian God, but it is distorted and so they do not understand the fundamental truths of Christianity, which are the key to eternal life. I know that makes no sense whatsoever, but I hope you can piece some sense out of it.
P.S. This isn't my opinion but I know other Christians who feel this way.

[Euphrates]

Wait, it's been a long time since I read The Last Battle... Tash actually appears in the battle!?

This part really belongs in the other thread, but here's how I see it. What's in a name? Not much. All that matters is accepting God's love through Christ's sacrifice. Names do not matter. But, again, this belongs in another thread.

I do not recall Tash ever presenting itself in the books. I also do not recal any deeds being directly attributed to Tash. I just don't see how Tash could represent the devil.

But back to my question, does anyone else agree that Jadis is the Green Lady in The Silver Chair also? Does anyone disagree? I would like to have a discussion.
:)

[inkspot]

I agree with Dryad that Jadis is the White Witch, the lady in the green kyrtle, and the hag from Prince Caspian -- in fact, the hag admits as much, I think, she says the power of the white witch never really goes away or can always be brought back, indicating that she wields that undying power (or is that undying person). Tash does appear in TLB, and he does destructive things, but in that setting, he seems to be serving Aslan's will (like the "destroyer" that killed every firstborn of Egypt but did not come near the Israelites that first passover). In that way, Tash can be seen as playing a role in the final battle, because he gobbles up the enemies of Narnia and King Tirian, at Aslan's bidding. And we know that Tash can't be seen as the devil because one of Tash's devotees, the Calormene Emeth, is found in the new Narnia, indicating that he came to heaven while following Tash rather than Aslan. Aslan accepts his service to Tash as service to himself, but I doubt he would accept anyone in service to the White Witch as one of his own, indeed, he let himself be killed to redeem Edmund from just that.