Tolkien Trivia

[Finrod]

Ok, so he have a Narnian trivia on this board so how about a Tolkien Trivia based on his works (LOTR, Hobbit, Sil, UT, HOME, etc).

Rules pretty much same like the other one.

Lets start off with an easy one. ;)

Q: Who founded the Kingdom of Nargothrond?

[LucyGoosey]

Finrod founded it.!

[Finrod]

Finrod founded it.!

And your question is. :)

[crjr9833]

Alright, this is from the movie. What is the name of the Uruk-Hai who kills Boromir?

[jennyjenjen56]

Easy: LURTZ

How many teeth does gollum have?

[GrayCloak]

Six!

How many sons did Feanor have?

[jennyjenjen56]

I just read this, I think 3. Im much better at lotr and hobbit trivia than tolkiens other works.

but heres another one, in the tower of cirith ungol how many orcs are on the stairs when sam approches them? (movie)

[Narniannymph]

I'm thinking three although I know there were at least two on the stairs.

[Finrod]

How many sons did Feanor have?

A: 7 sons.

[Finrod]

but heres another one, in the tower of cirith ungol how many orcs are on the stairs when sam approches them? (movie)

A: 4 originally. After that 1 ran up.

[LucyGoosey]

And your question is. :)


OH whoops...i thought you would be doing it.. Brain fart. Sorry guys.

[Finrod]

Q: Whats the name of Fingolfin's horse?

[Daughter of Eve]

Rochallor!

Who loved Galadriel? (Aside from Celeborn)

[GrayCloak]

I suppose you want a better answer than Gimli, as well...;)

Wasn't it the creator of the Elessar? Is his name Enerdhil of Gondolin? I can't really remember exactly, but as my fleeting mind recalls he asked her what she desired above all else and Galadriel answered that she wished to see the green lands of Valinor; thus the green stone of the Elessar.

[Warrior-Poet51088]

A: 4 originally. After that 1 ran up.
Yes, in the EE we see what happens to that "one", which is not shagrat, who ran back to "stick" Frodo.

Since Grey didn't post a question, I will:
In RotK(book), who does Peregrin marry, and what is the name of their child?

[Daughter of Eve]

Yes, other than Gimli too. :) There were two possible answers, the creator of the Elessar, Celebrimbor of Hollin, or Feanor.

Aragorn, I know Pippin married Diamond of Long Cleave... but I don't remember their child's name...

[GrayCloak]

Faramir! They named him Faramir!

How many children did Sam have; and what was his occupation once returning to the Shire?

[Daughter of Eve]

He had thirteen. And he was elected as Mayor of Hobbiton. :D

Who did Eomer marry and what was his son's name? ;)

[Between_the_Worlds]

I know that Eomer married Lothiriel, but I don't know their son's name.

[GrayCloak]

Their son was Elfwine the Fair, right? At least I think it is....

Q: What was the name of Aragorn and Arwen's son?

[lsipher]

A: Eldarion.

Okay, here's an easy one...
Q: Where did Aragorn first see Arwen?


- Lou

[Finrod]

A: Eldarion.

Okay, here's an easy one...
Q: Where did Aragorn first see Arwen?


- Lou

A: Not sure, is it Cerin Amroth

[crjr9833]

You got it JennyJenJennumber!
Was it Rivendell?

[lsipher]

Was it Rivendell?

Yep, in the woods near Rivendell.

- Lou

[Prince Corin]

In the book, Aragorn first saw Arwen after the feast at Rivendell I think. It's funny, Arwen's name is never even mentioned in TTT (the book). But she's in TTT the movie.

[GrayCloak]

Prince Corin you're right; in the book FOTR Aragorn did first see Arwen in the Hall of Fire, but they had met many times before that. Remember that Aragorn was Elrond's foster son, and in the apendixes under 'The Tale of Aragorn and Arwen' we find out that they met for the first time some sixty years prior to that on a bridge in Rivendel.

And yes Arwen is in the TT movie, but not in the book...don't even get me started on that....*grumbles* ;)

[Warrior-Poet51088]

Well, you do know that they were planning on having Arwen lead the Elves who fought at Helm's Deep, instead of Haldir, right?

[crjr9833]

That would have bad if Arwen led the Elves to Helms deep because then they would be focusing more on romance than on what this story is really about. Also there's two l's there GrayCloak, in Rivendell I mean. And here's a good one.
What are two names, one for Men and one for Elves, Middle Earth's God?

[GrayCloak]

Oops, sorry. I know there are two 'L' in Rivendell (just check my 'location') I just don't have my contacts in and I can't really read what I'm posting.

And are you looking for Eru and Iluvatar?

[Prince Corin]

Ok, here's a question. Well, not exactly a question, but close enough.

Everybody list as many of Aragorn's other names as you can.

[Capstick]

Well, lets see: there's Estel, Ellessar, his alter-ego "Strider"...

That's all I can think of for now. I'll let some of the hard-core fans (i.e., "Ringers") finish off the ones that I don't know.

[Warrior-Poet51088]

Elfstone, Elessar, Estel, Longshanks, The Renewer, Thengel of Rohan, Ecthelion of Gondor, Telcontar, Strider, and isn't there some reference to him as "Beren"?

[GrayCloak]

I think; but maybe just in title. And isn't he once reffered to in mention of Kingsfoil, or Athelas?

[Prince Corin]

I've never heard of him being Beren, Kingsfoil, or Athelas, but you've forgotten Wingfoot, the name that Eomer gives him.

Ok, someone else can give the next question. :)

[Capstick]

Thanks Gray and Aragorn! lol, I knew you wouldn't let me down...

[crjr9833]

Elessar, Strider, ummm..oh dang..what did Bilbo call him in Fellowship?

[crjr9833]

I've got one..

There is only one Unabridged recording of LOTR...who reads this recording?

[Prince Corin]

Elessar, Strider, ummm..oh dang..what did Bilbo call him in Fellowship?
Oh yeah Chris! I forgot about "The Dunadan." Thanks for reminding me. :)

[Arathornia of Rivendell]

And isn't he once reffered to in mention of Kingsfoil, or Athelas?
Aragorn called a plant Athelas, the other name being Kingsfoil. And Beren was the name of the Mortal that fell in love with Luthien Tinuviel, the first Elf to ever embrace mortality for love of a mortal. :)

There is only one Unabridged recording of LOTR...who reads this recording?

Oh darn. I have this recording I think. Is it Brian Sibley? Just a guess. :D

[GrayCloak]

Hmm. I own the BBC radio drama with Brian Sibley, but it's abridged in several places (No Tom Bombadil, and no Gildor-will those two ever catch a break?) I don't know if there's an unabridged version or not, but I never saw one when I bought the BBC.

Doesn't Tolkien do a reading? I once heard him sing several of the songs from the book like 'Troll sat alone' or 'the Lay of Luthien and Beren'? Oh well, that would be my guess anyway.

[Warrior-Poet51088]

I love that little song about the troll! It's always stuck in my head!(at least, whenever I'm reading LotR!)

[Arathornia of Rivendell]

Ok thanks GrayCloak: I haven't listened to it in a looonnnnggg time, so I couldn't remember. :D

[Prince Corin]

Ok, here's a question:

Q: What are the names of all 13 dwarves in The Hobbit?

[Arathornia of Rivendell]

Balin, Dwalin, Boffin, Bombur, Bofur, Bifur, Gloin, Oin, Ori, Thorin, Fili, Kili, and Bilbo the burglar. :D


How old was Aragorn when he and his mother arrived at Rivendell?

[Prince Corin]

Not quite, Arathornia. You left out Dori and Nori, and you put in Boffin. Also, Bilbo isn't a dwarf. The answer is:

Balin, Dwalin, Kili, Fili, Ori, Dori, Nori, Oin, Gloin, Bifur, Bofur, Bombur, and Thorin.

[Arathornia of Rivendell]

Oh man! I always forget those two, and Boffin sounds like it belongs, right? ;) Just Kidding! :D
No seriously, thanks for the correction, Prince Corin. :D


Can my question still stand though? :cool:

[GrayCloak]

Aragorn was two I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong-it's been a while with the apendixes.

here's a new question:

What was the name of Elrond's wife, and who were their three children?

[Warrior-Poet51088]

Don't know his wife's name, but his children were: Arwen, Elrohir, and his twin brother.........just forgot his name.
Garn!

[Prince Corin]

His wife was Celebrian, and the 3 children were Ellandan, Elrohir, and Arwen. Celebrian was the daughter of Galadriel.

Q: In TTT movie, Gandalf leads Eomer and 2,000 horsemen to Helms Deep. In TTT book, what does Gandalf lead to Helms Deep?

[Warrior-Poet51088]

He leads 1,000 foot soldiers, whose commander is..........somebody. Erkenbrand?

[Arathornia of Rivendell]

Aragorn was two I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong-it's been a while with the apendixes.

*looks in apendices* Yes you are correct! I was actually thinking he was only a year, but I stand corrected. :D

[Prince Corin]

He leads 1,000 foot soldiers, whose commander is..........somebody. Erkenbrand?
Right Aragorn. It was Erkenbrand.

[crjr9833]

Hey.. You guys didnt answer my question. The name of the person who reads LOTR is Rob Inglis

[crjr9833]

What's the name of the ent who takes care of Merry and Pippen...not Treebeard

[Dead Rain]

oh oh. i know this..... i don't remember. it's like something-beam of it has atleast one of there: "s," "l," or "b". i know that much..... so what is it? well... whatever

[GrayCloak]

It was Quickbeam-he was hasty-hence the name. And sorry that your first question got lost crjr; but I was wrong anyway in what I would have guessed.

Sooooooo:

What are the names of the Valar in Arda?

[rosymole]

all of them? crikey!
Manwe, Varda, Yavanna, Ulmo, Nienna, errrrr Orome, errrrrr help! My memory is like an old tin bucket- full of holes! I could have listed types of cheese with greater ease

[Dark_Magician_Girl]

I only know of Yavanna Nuenna Ulmo Varda and Manwe that's all but anyways here's my question

When Frodo says i can't do this sam were is he and what does sam say back to frodo after he says that?

[rosymole]

Hi Dark Magician Girl, welcome to the site! Me thinks you need a nickname!

Are you referring to the film there or the book? (i'm assuming the film but don't want to jump to conclusions...)

[crjr9833]

Their at Osgiliath, I think...i don't remember what sam says back though.
It takes place towards the end of The Two Towers.

[Prince Corin]

I only know of Yavanna Nuenna Ulmo Varda and Manwe that's all but anyways here's my question

When Frodo says i can't do this sam were is he and what does sam say back to frodo after he says that?
Sam says back: "I know. By rights we shouldn't even be here. But we are." Then I think he gives the speech about the stories that really mattered.

Who was the original Dark Lord, (Sauron's boss), and which Valar was he most afraid of?

[Warrior-Poet51088]

Sauron's boss was Morgoth, I think(I only read the first two sections of The Silmarillion).

Dunno who he was afraid of.........

[Daughter of Eve]

Thengel of Rohan, Ecthelion of Gondor

First off, I must correct something. Thengel was the father of Theoden, and Ecthelion the father of Denethor. Neither were names of Aragorn. I know he went by Thorongil in Gondor, but I"m blanking on what he went by in Rohan.

As to who he was afraid of, I'm assuming you are referring to Melko/Melkor/Morgoth and he was most afraid of Manwe.

[Prince Corin]

Manwe? I thought he was afraid of Tulkas.

[Daughter of Eve]

Maybe it was Tulkas... Hmm... I know that Manwe was like the same powerwise as Melko...

Yeah, I think it was Tulkas... according to my 12 yr old bro who just read Sil.

[GrayCloak]

I'm positive it was Tulkas; Manwe and Morgoth seemed equal in power. Doesn't the Sil say something to the extent that they were counted as 'brothers' in the eyes of Eru?

[rosymole]

Yup Manwe and Morgoth/Melkor were brothers - I suppose that helps give everything balance - with the good vs evil power struggle thing

[TSTer]

Definetly Tulkas (the valient, the mighty). Manwe was very powerful and wise but usualy kept to himself.

Since no one has posted a new bit a trivia I shall take the liberty of keeping the game rolling.

What symbol or device did Elendil the Tall use as a personal badge?

[DryadofLanternWaste]

isn't it a white tree under seven stars in a sable field?

What was the name of Turgon's wife who died crossing the Grinding Ice?

[TSTer]

No. The white tree and the seven stars were a symbol for both Gondor and the line of kings. What I asked was for a 'personal badge'.

[DryadofLanternWaste]

How many guesses before one is required to shut up? I'm going to try again TSTer. If one doesn't know can one look at other sources or is that deemed cheating?


DoLW

[Dernhelm]

Was it a stone of some kind? I -- think?

[rosymole]

How many guesses before one is required to shut up? . If one doesn't know can one look at other sources or is that deemed cheating?


DoLW

It's a matter of honour really- you should try to think of the answer unaided (you'll only be letting yourself down..!), but if it gets to a point of clarification then certain texts can be consulted-full references however must be provided, and NO David Day! ( i don't think he's as awful as some people, but it may be best to keep him seperate [Robert Frost is definately allowed tho!])

As per the number of guesses- as many as it takes but without getting silly:-)

[GrayCloak]

What symbol or device did Elendil the Tall use as a personal badge?

Didn't Elendil have a star-like jewel he wore upon his brow? Aw well, I'm not sure-mearly a guess.

[crjr9833]

What's the name one of the characters in The Long Expected Party in FOTR who try's to steal Bilbo treasure he supposedly has stowed away?

[rosymole]

I'm guessing at a Sackville-Baggins of some description, it's been a while since I've read lotr tho!

[Daughter of Eve]

That would probably be Lobelia Sackville-Baggins.

[Dernhelm]

I think it was her son.

[rosymole]

was his name Lotho or something?

[DryadofLanternWaste]

It was a young hobbit lad digging in the pantry because he thought he heard something hollow. I can't for the life of me remember his name, something starting with San...

Lobelia stole several small yet expensive things out of Bag-end that had mysteriously fallen into her umbrella

DoLW

[Dernhelm]

Who was the elf from which all elves was golden hair were desended? (Hint: Legolas didn't have golden hair in the book. just so on one gets confused!)

[DryadofLanternWaste]

The Vanyar were a golden haired people, is that what you wanted? There was a Noldorian(sp?) elf, one of Finwe's sons whose hair was golden and his descendants had golden hair too (but his mother was a Vanya)... that was Finarafin, I think... Or were you asking for the Chieftain of the Vanyar?

-DoLW

[Dernhelm]

Finarafin... YES!!!

[DryadofLanternWaste]

yay I was right *does happy dance* Okay here's my question, I'm just repeating the one I had before.

What was the name of Turgon's wife (Idril's mother) who died crossing the Grinding Ice?

[rosymole]

Elenwe!
Hoorah hoorah!!
This should shake you up a bit....
Do Balrogs have wings? (I reserve the right not to answer the question just to ask it!)

[StarlightFaery]

Um..... Elfstone, Ellessar, Estel, (Boy, he had a lot of "e" names!) Strider, Longshanks, Stick-at-naught, Wingfoot, uh...... Is that it? I think so.

Question: What was Numenor destroyed by?

[Warrior-Poet51088]

Star, I'm guessing you looked at the last post on a previous page and replied to that, so I'll answer Rosy's question:
Yes, Balrogs have wings! I'll not pull out my books yet, but unless there is some contradictory evidence in books other than The Hobbit and LotR, then they do!

[rosymole]

Cheers Aragorn- the definiative answer finally! or is it? This debate as you know rages merrily around most Tolkien forums and i wondered what people here thought!

[StarlightFaery]

Ahhhh.... Embarrassing! :( :eek:

[Daughter of Eve]

NO wings!!!!! It just looked like it did. It's shadow spread like wings is what it says. :D

[Warrior-Poet51088]

*eye begins to twitch*
I just don't get why people want to debate this so badly. Because I figured somebody would say that, Ima go get my copy of Fellowship........

OK. A couple pages before "Lothlorien," chapter 6 in book 2, it says, "The Balrog reached the bridge...His[Gandalf's] enemy halted again, facing him, and the shadow about it reached out like two vast wings. It raised the whip, and the thongs whined and cracked. Fire came from its nostrils. But Gandalf stood firm.........The Balrog made no answer. The fire in it seemed to die, but the darkness grew. It stepped forward slowly on to the bridge, and suddenly it drew itself up to a great height, and its wings were spread from wall to wall.........."

I dunno, but that sure sounds to me like the Balrog had wings.................And if anybody's gonna ask for page numbers, I didn't give 'em because I have a really old edition, so don't ask what page I found that on, cuz you won't get an answer.

[Dernhelm]

Sounds pretty definate; what do they debate about?
I mean, what matireal< do they use to confuse things?

[GrayCloak]

lol, I remember the old, Balrog has/doesn't have wings debates, people used to take the quote: 'shadow about it reached out like two vast wings' and emphasize the 'like' saying 'see it didn't have WINGS it had a shadow LIKE wings that surrounded it.' Let's just forget that in the Sil the Balrogs rushed to Morgoth's aid from Angband to Lammoth in a matter of moments. Just seems like to go that far, wings certainly would have helped.

-Of course, Balrogs seem to also fall off things alot, so I don't think they're too good as using thier wings. j/k.

[crjr9833]

Who's the name of the dude who rules over the lake men in The Hobbit (before Bard).

[rosymole]

Ooo..I can picture him...and I remember he watched Esgaroth burn as he escaped on a boat...but what his name was has slipped through the holes in my memory!

[Dernhelm]

Did they mention his name? I think they called him the Master.

[DryadofLanternWaste]

I looked it up Dernhelm, yes he's just called the Master of the Town.

Next question: what was the name of the sword of Beleg, which Thingol gave him, and what question did Turin ask of it before he slew himself?

[GrayCloak]

The sword's name was Anglachel, and Turin asked it something to the extent of 'Wilt thou slay me swiftly?'

Q. What was written on Turin's tomb, and beneath it?

[NiennaTinuviel]

are these questions from just the books or the Silmarillion as well? I've read the trilogy but I must say, I haven't quite plowed through the Sil yet.

[rosymole]

It's a general Tolkien and Middle Earth quiz-fest I think, pretty much anything goes. (I'm with you on the Sil tho- I keep trying to finish it, but just end up a bit cross eyed)

[NiennaTinuviel]

gosh, then I shall just have to sit on the sidelines and watch because unfortunately I am not good enough on my general ME knowledge I don't think.

[DryadofLanternWaste]

I know it was something similar to: here lieith(sp?)
Turin Turambar ___ ___ (the last two names had to do with the slaying of Glaurang)
Nienor Niniel
The Children of Hurin

Is that close enough?

[GrayCloak]

I know it was something similar to: here lieith(sp?)
Turin Turambar ___ ___ (the last two names had to do with the slaying of Glaurang)
Nienor Niniel
The Children of Hurin

Is that close enough?

Certainly; and for future notice it read: 'Turin Turambar Dagnir Glaurunga' but DOLW got it, so next question!

[rosymole]

easy one- Who was Curinir?

[DryadofLanternWaste]

I wasn't sure of my answer so I double-checked: no Curunir was not the fifth son of Feanor, *is dissapointed* that was Curufin.
Now I have to sit the rest of this one out because I checked the answer. hmph
lol
-DoLW

[rosymole]

That's very restrained DoLW I would probably have cheated and lied- you have strength and honour! (like the new avvy btw!)

[DryadofLanternWaste]

thank you rosymole, I am flattered that you think so. I just hope someone will show up at the forum and answer the question though, lol.

about the avvie, thanks. sometimes I wish this was a combination LotR/CoN site (I suppose it sort of is), then I could post my pictures from there too. I love drawing elves, yay.

Does anyone know who Curunir is? Can I give the literal translation of the name as a hint? jk

-the ever impatient
DoLW

[Prince Corin]

I think Curunir is Saruman. It means "Cunning Mind." Something like that.

[DryadofLanternWaste]

I think Curunir is Saruman. It means "Cunning Mind." Something like that.

yay, yes that is correct Curunir is Saruman

Curunir meaning "man of skill"

[Dernhelm]

Gimli was the son of _______?

[rosymole]

Gloin! 100,000 points for me !! mine mine mine!

Who did Merry get married to?

[DryadofLanternWaste]

Diamond of Long Cleeve, I believe. Hey that rhymes!

For how many days did Boromir travel before reaching Rivendell?

[GrayCloak]

Wasn't it something like 110?

[DryadofLanternWaste]

Wasn't it something like 110?
yes that is correct. Do you want to ask the next question?

[GrayCloak]

Sure; I would have posted it after my answer but I wasn't sure if it was right.

Here's one from the Hobbit:

What are the three things mentioned that Bilbo forgot as he ran out the door to meet up with Thorin and Co.?

[rosymole]

Diamond of Long Cleeve, I believe. Hey that rhymes!



Not quite hun! that was Pippin's wife, Merry married Frdegar Bolgers sister - Estella

[DryadofLanternWaste]

sheesh, I feel bright, lol
thanks for the correction rosymole

[Capstick]

What are the three things mentioned that Bilbo forgot as he ran out the door to meet up with Thorin and Co.?

Was it (1) a pocket handkerchief; (2) a walking stick; (3) a pipe ?

[Capstick]

Allright, here's a new question:

What does 'Cirith Ungol' mean?

[DryadofLanternWaste]

Allright, here's a new question:

What does 'Cirith Ungol' mean?

okay I know Minas Morgul is the "Tower of Sorcery," not Cirith Ungol. That was the pass near it, and has to do with Shelob? Pass of ... hmm... well Ungoliant = giant spider

Pass of the Spider?

[rosymole]

Yeah! correctomundo!

Q. What were the names of the 3 Elven rings?

[GrayCloak]

Nenya the ring of water, Narya the ring of fire, and Vilya the ring of air;

What was the name of Glofindel's horse, and what did its name mean?

[DryadofLanternWaste]

What was the name of Glofindel's horse, and what did its name mean?

I know it was Asfolath, but don't know what it means.

[GrayCloak]

I know it was Asfolath, but don't know what it means.

Good enough! I don't really think translating it was fair; I was in a weird mood when I wrote the question. :)

The last part of Asfaloth's name 'loth' is Silvan for blossom. I believe the full translation is something like 'waving blossom'.

Someone can post a new question...

[DryadofLanternWaste]

By what was Maeglin's lust for his cousin, Idril thought to be caused? Sorry if I worded this weird.

[DryadofLanternWaste]

scratch the last one. What color did the lamps of the Noldor give off according to the UT?

[Wordsmith]

Elessar, Telcontar, Estel, Strider, Wingfoot, Aragorn, Dunadain, Thorongil, Longshanks, Ranger of Eriador, Stick-at-naught-Strider, Elfstone... I think I got them all.

[Wordsmith]

Strange... I thought that the last question was about Aragorn's names.... sorry :(

[crjr9833]

Define a hobbit

[Dernhelm]

Hmm...
Short, useally under 3'. Furry feet, useally no shoes. Good aim. Good at hiding...
That's some of it. I think there's a lot more, though.

[DryadofLanternWaste]

they are inclined to be fat and have developed a fondness for good food, ale, and pipeweed. I can't think of anymore besides what you said Dernhelm.

BTW: the last two answers were:
The Curse of Mandos and blue

edit: who is asking the next question?

[Crystal~elf]

I have one (I havn't real all the other posts, so forgive me if this is a repeat)

Tolkien made of the plural of dwarf: dwarves.
What does he say is a probably a more correct way of 'pluralizing' the word?

[DryadofLanternWaste]

wasn't it dwarrow or something like that?

[Crystal~elf]

Yes! That's it.

[rosymole]

How many Tengwar are there?

[Lyra Chappell]

Hi, Dryad! The quote with your posts provoked me to write this, about a hidden point in LOTR. The spot in Lothlorien where Aragorn and Arwen pledged their troth was the same place Aragorn tells Frodo is 'the heart of elvendom in middle earth'...This scene concludes saying that Aragorn came there 'never again as a mortal man'. Yet this is the place where the widowed Queen Arwen seeks solice after Aragorn dies; I think Tolkien here hinted that Aragorn came to comfort her in spirit until they could be reunited in death...Maybe, like Luthien and her mortal mate, Aragorn and Arwen met and walked alive again before passing from the world entirely. (I hope so!)

[Turambar]

How many Tengwar are there?

The Return of the King lists 36 characters. Here's a good one for you folks:

What is mightiest and loveliest of all the deeds of Iluvatar (as stated by Iluvatar himself)?

[rosymole]

I want to say it's the elves but i'm having a bit of a mind freeze?!

[Turambar]

I want to say it's the elves but i'm having a bit of a mind freeze?!

Good guess, but it's actually not even close. The answer is pretty amazing and surprising. It's not what you would expect.

[rosymole]

Was it the great music? This is going to bug me if I dno't get it! :-)

[Turambar]

Was it the great music? This is going to bug me if I dno't get it! :-)

Nope! You probably won't be able to guess it unless you actually read it from the book. Maybe I'll tell you which book if nobody else can guess it soon. :)

[rosymole]

I'm sure I've read it somewhere- it rings bells if you knwo what I mean..I'll let someone else have a stab!

[legolas]

Hmm... I haven't read the books yet. So that doesn't really help. :confused:

[Turambar]

Well, the topic was "Tolkien Trivia," so I thought I'd try asking a more difficult Tolkien question that isn't found in the popular trilogy. ;) The guess about the music was getting a little warmer, but it's still not really close. There was a point at which Iluvatar declared what would be "called his mightiest and his loveliest" deed.

[rosymole]

I need to try and get this now, ok, I need to whittle it down..oooh, was it the Silmarils?

[Turambar]

I need to try and get this now, ok, I need to whittle it down..oooh, was it the Silmarils?

Cold again. :)

Like I said, you can't expect to guess it, because it's not what you would expect. If you haven't read it, you'd need to. Has anyone here read "The Book of Lost Tales?"

[Dernhelm]

Me! But...I can't think what it was :-(

PS: Feanor made the Sillmarilons (sorry sp).

[sevgi]

I tried to read the Book of Lost Tales but it was to hard to understand and had a lot of elvish in it but isn't that a series anyway?

[Turambar]

PS: Feanor made the Sillmarilons (sorry sp).

Feanor was a part of Iluvatar's song. :)

I tried to read the Book of Lost Tales but it was to hard to understand and had a lot of elvish in it but isn't that a series anyway?

Yes, it was actually published as two books. They are great reading if you liked "The Silmarillion." You can find the answer toward the beginning of the first one.

[GrayCloak]

Has anyone here read "The Book of Lost Tales?"

Oh I have! And 'Unfinished Tales' and the sil - but I have headache and can't for the life of me think of the answer to your question - darn...now it's bothering me...I'll probably wake up at 3 in the morning with the answer...*walks away in shame*

[sevgi]

Actually I started the Simmilarion twice but I never got all the way through it so I didn't really like it Same problem as the Book of Lost Tales Anyway I have to go now
Bye

[rosymole]

Right! Turambar, I've done a bit of trawling and..prepare the fanfare ..from the Book of Lost Tales I :
"Even shall these beings who must now dwell amoung his evil and endure through Melkor misery and sorrow terror and wickedness, declare in the end that it reboundeth only to my great glory, and doth but make them more worth the hearing. Life more worth the living and the world so much more wonderful and marvelous, that of all the deeds of Iluvatar it shall be called his mightiest and his loveliest."

I hope that's the right bit- I was halfway through digging about in Unfinished TAles before I remembered you'd said Lost Tales- fool that I am!

[Turambar]

Right! Turambar, I've done a bit of trawling and..prepare the fanfare ..from the Book of Lost Tales I :
"Even shall these beings who must now dwell amoung his evil and endure through Melkor misery and sorrow terror and wickedness, declare in the end that it reboundeth only to my great glory, and doth but make them more worth the hearing. Life more worth the living and the world so much more wonderful and marvelous, that of all the deeds of Iluvatar it shall be called his mightiest and his loveliest."

I hope that's the right bit- I was halfway through digging about in Unfinished TAles before I remembered you'd said Lost Tales- fool that I am!

You got it! This was said to the Ainur after the song ended. Here's the entire paragraph (one of my absolute favorite pieces from Tolkien):

"Thou Melko shalt see that no theme can be played save it come in the end of Ilúvatar’s self, nor can any alter the music in Ilúvatar’s despite. He that attempts this finds himself in the end but aiding me in devising a thing of still greater grandeur and more complex wonder: -- for lo! through Melko have terror as fire, and sorrow like dark waters, wrath like thunder, and evil as far from my light as the depths of the uttermost of the dark places, come into the design that I laid before you. Through him has pain and misery been made in the clash of overwhelming musics; and with confusion of sound have cruelty, and ravening, and darkness, loathly mire and all putrescense of thought or thing, foul mists and violent flame, cold without mercy, been born, and death without hope. Yet is this through him and not by him; and he shall see, and ye all likewise, and even shall those beings, who must now dwell among his evil and endure through Melko misery and sorrow, terror and wickedness, declare in the end that it redoundeth only to my great glory, and doth make the theme more worth the hearing, Life more worth the living, and the World so much the more wonderful and marvellous, that of all the deeds of Iluvatar it shall be called his mightiest and his loveliest."

P. 52, "The Book of Lost Tales 1", J. R. R. Tolkien

What a beautiful passage! My guess is that Tolkien agreed with Descartes when he suggested that the presence of evil in the world actually serves to make it better than it could have been without evil. This passage suggests that all these evil things are actually among Iluvatar's greatest creations, and that in the end, they only serve to glorify him and his creation. Wow!

Isn't that an interesting thing to consider when looking at all the evil in our own world? How much more will we be rejoicing in the end, when God's purposes are fully revealed to us, and all the pain has been left behind as if it were a bad dream?

[rosymole]

It is a pretty amazing passage, one of those that really hammers you into the ground and then just lifts you straight back up again!
I don't know much (read anything!) about Descartes apart from the ever present "corgito ergo sum", but it sounds pretty interesting. It's certainly a great way to consider looking forward to see what the end of our days may have in store!

[Turambar]

Descartes had some good refutations to agruments from evil. One of them suggested that God could allow evil in the world if it actually made his creation "more perfect" than it could be without evil.

An example of this could seen when you show love to someone even though you could have shown them hatred. Love would not mean much to anyone if it was the only option. You could even argue that real love would be impossible without the option to not love. One might go so far as to say that good things like love are only possible because God allows the possibility evil or imperfection. I think Tolkien would agree with this, saying that the allowance of evil was God's greatest deed.

Anyway, I think you get to ask the next question, rosymole!

[rosymole]

Thank you Turambar, ok..geography!

Where was Amon Ereb?

[sevgi]

I have no clue I guess I should look at a map or something or will I not find it on a map?

[Tarkheena_Finduilas22]

No idea here
:confused:

[GrayCloak]

Thank you Turambar, ok..geography!

Where was Amon Ereb?

Amon Ereb..hmmm, translated 'The hill [of the] lonely'? I honestly don't know - it's concidered cheating to look at ME maps right? :D

[rosymole]

There is no cheating, only the refreshing of memories! lol

[Lunis]

I had forgotten all about this thread! Oh, Amon Ereb is located (or "situated") between Ramdal and the middle section of the river Gelion; all in East Beleriand, I believe. I should look it up, I suppose. Because I'm pretty sure my memory is coming from the first age... and the landscape may have changed; I really don't remember it existing in the third age at all. Lol, now I feel somewhat smart and somewhat humiliated. (*Luni

[legolas]

Hey finrod. Do you want to continue this thread??

[DryadofLanternWaste]

Okay, umm... let's waken this thread.

What is the name of the Lord of the Elves who still sits at the feet of Manwe in Valinor?

[hanguk859]

whoah! there was a time when I could answer these no prob....but now I see I must whip out the Silmarillion again...

[PrinceOfTheWest]

That isn't Finrod, is it?

If you want to awaken the thread, you'll have to start with less obscure questions! If you send people back to The Silmarillion, they may just get lost in there and not come back!

Let's try one from the "Trilogy": what was the name of the chamber in which they found Balin's tomb and the torn book!

(btw, the fight in there was one thing I did love about the movie - Jackson captured it beautifully.)

[Eressea]

the chamber of mazarbul... or the chamber of records..

heres an easy one.. who chanted the tale about beren and tinuviel... in the lotr? (one o my fav. poems.. i memorized it..)

[Nenya]

Is it Aragorn?

[Eressea]

ya... and whats ur question?

[Gondor Knight of Narnia]

Okay, umm... let's waken this thread.

What is the name of the Lord of the Elves who still sits at the feet of Manwe in Valinor?

I think it's Finwe... :D Nenya asks the Q now right? :D

[Nenya]

Oh, I'm sorry, I didnt know I was supposed to ask a question!
What is Gandalf's "kind" (or should I say classification or species).. Please be specific.

(OTQuestion: Is it possible for one to delete a thread that one himself has started? I'm embarassed that no one has replied to my request at the CS Lewis forum.. I just want to delete it, if allowed.)

[PrinceOfTheWest]

Istari.

How many were there who came to Middle Earth? Which ones are named?

(What was your request in the Lewis forum?)

[Nenya]

Hey, you're fast!
Five: Saruman, Gandalf and Radagast. Two were not heard from again...

It was a request to see one website that has some horrible and depressing views of Tolkien and Lewis. I just wanted to know what others from here think about it. It's a Christian website (more geared for homeschooling, I guess) that says our 2 loved authors' works are New Age stuff! It confused me, made me think, is there something wrong with my love for fantasy works? Does it make us less lovers of Christ?

OK, LOTR Question:
Who had the 3 Rings of Power that were made by the elves

[rosymole]

Gandalf (he had the red one), womany elf..Galadriel..and someone else who I can't remeber had the toher one..
someone'll have to complete for me..*poor show Rosy!*

[PrinceOfTheWest]

Hey, you're fast!That's what my wife says...

It's a Christian website (more geared for homeschooling, I guess) that says our 2 loved authors' works are New Age stuff! It confused me, made me think, is there something wrong with my love for fantasy works? Does it make us less lovers of Christ?No - groups like that don't want to put the intellectual work into discerning the false imagination from the true one. Lots of times they're really driven by fear, which is not of God.

Who had the 3 Rings of Power that were made by the elves?Well, originally it was Elrond, Galadriel, and Cirdan, but when Gandalf landed, Cirdan gave his ring to the wizard, saying that he was going to need it more.

Here's one that I think is unfair to ask, because you have to really dig into the alternative tales to find it, but I'll ask anyway because it'll lead to a cool story.

What did Féanor ask Galadriel for several times, but she refused him every time?

[PrinceOfTheWest]

Gandalf (he had the red one), womany elf..Galadriel..and someone else who I can't remeber had the toher one..
someone'll have to complete for me..*poor show Rosy!*Yeah, you'd better stick to Finnish :D

[Saruman]

Hey, you're fast!
Five: Saruman, Gandalf and Radagast. Two were not heard from again...

The other two were the Ithryn Luin (Blue Wizards), called in the Quenya Alatar and Pallando (although Tolkien later wrote letters on two Maiar called Rómestámo and Morinehtar, who may have been a later concept of the Two). Although Tolkien fears they failed their mission, like Saruman, but doubtless in different ways, I personally like to believe they were responsible for lessening the grip of the Enemy over the Far East and Far South of Middle-earth.

They traveled with Saruman into the East, but Saruman returned alone. How wonderful it would be to learn and read of the adventures of the Ithryn Luin! *sighs hopelessly*

[Nenya]

To Curumo: Thank you for the clarification!

To Prince of the West: Thanks for letting me know what you think about what I read. Made me feel better..

To answer yoou LOTR question, I admit I dont really know the answer but I searched on Google - sorry for cheating!- and the answer is... strands of her hair!
Please tell the cool story, too.

My question:Who was the creator of the dwarves?

[PrinceOfTheWest]

I can't remember who the creator of the dwarves was without looking it up, but I'll take a stab: Aüle?

The story is pretty much what you identified. Galadriel dwelt in the Blessed Realm while Fëanor did. Her golden hair was wonderous, and some said the golden light of Laurelin was captured therin. Fëanor was enamored of her, but she spurned him because of his proud and masterful nature. He asked of her for a lock of her hair to enshrine in some masterful work of his hands (this was before he had wrought the Silmarils), but she disdained him. Many times he asked, but she refused his request.

So it was when she pressed Gimli the Dwarf, that he should ask for a gift from her, when he named a strand of her hair, he knew not what he was naming: the very thing that had been refused the greatest elf of legend. Yet in his humility he did not ask, but in respect named at Galadriel's insistence. So, out of courtesy and respect for his humble attitude, beside the Anduin in Middle Earth, Galadriel the Elven Queen bestowed on Gimli Gloin's son, Dwarf of the Mountain, what had been denied to Fëanor son of Finwë in the Blessed Realm.

I forgot where I learned this. I thought it was in the book Morgoth's Ring, but now I can't find it, so it must be in one of the other unfinished tales.

[Eressea]

yea... thats quite the awsome story.. are u going to ask a ? now? aule is correct...

[Eressea]

princeofthewest... art tho going to ask a question?

[PrinceOfTheWest]

Oops - sorry. Ummm...

What was Glorfindel's horse's name?

[Nema]

Asfolath

Who inscribed the runes on the hidden gates of Moria?

[PrinceOfTheWest]

Daeron (I think)

Galadriel was under the Ban of Mandos and denied return to the Blessed Realm - yet she returned regardless. What did she do to lift the ban and allow her to return?

[Danny]

Daeron (I think)



No, they are Daeron's runes, but Celebrimbor of Hollin inscribed them on the gates, that's what the inscription reads!!! :D




Galadriel was under the Ban of Mandos and denied return to the Blessed Realm - yet she returned regardless. What did she do to lift the ban and allow her to return?


She was allowed to return after assisting the free peoples in defeating Sauron. Also, she was a Ringbearer along with Elrond and Gandalf. That's why Bilbo, Frodo and eventually Sam were gained admittance to Valinor.

[PrinceOfTheWest]

Thanks, Danny - I knew Daeron was in there somewhere, as was Celebrimbor, but I got confused as to who did what.

You're mostly right about Galadriel - the specific thing she did was turn down the Ring when Frodo offered it.

Okay, what else did Celebrimbor do besides carve runes on doors?

[Inklet]

I think Celebrimbor taught Sauron the art of forging rings of power.


I'm not one who really enjoyed the Silmarillion, but it was worth reading it for no other reason than the story of Galadriel's exile. I transforms her rejection of the ring into a heartbreakingly beautiful ending to a lovely tale.



I haven't read this whole thread, so sorry if it's been asked before:

What were Farmer Maggot's three dogs called?

[Eressea]

grip, fang, and wolf.

what country was tolkien born in?

[PrinceOfTheWest]

He was born in South Africa.

Yes, Celebrimbor taught Sauron to forge - and he actually forged the Three.

Where did Celeborn move after Galadriel departed at the Gray Havens?

[Danny]

Where did Celeborn move after Galadriel departed at the Gray Havens?

I think he lingered in Rivendell for a while after Galadriel's departure.
It is said that Legolas departed soon after along with Gimli the "Elf-Friend".

I think Celebrimbor was the first to discover Sauron's treachery.

[Eressea]

whats ur ?

[DryadofLanternWaste]

the answer to my question was Ingwë.


I haven't been here in a while, but can ask the next question? If not ignore me...

What did Aragorn exclaim when he found the sapling on Mount Mindolluin?

[Between_the_Worlds]

He said that he had found it. It was a kind of Eureka statement, only in Elvish. Sorry, I don't know the Elvish words.

[Inklet]

Okay, I'll jump in and ask a question.

Name two nephews of Thorin Oakenshield.

[PrinceOfTheWest]

Hmm - Gimili was one of them, right?

Even though I didn't answer completely, I'll kick in a question to keep the ball rolling. As the forces of Gondor were approaching the Black Gate, some of the men were overcome with fear and could not go on. Aragorn gave them an alternative task - what was it?

[Inklet]

Nah! Fili & Kili.

They were to take Cair Andros.

What was Mithrandir's name among the dwarves?

[Eressea]

Tharkûn

who married her own brother?

[Inklet]

Niniel married Turin.

When is Durin's Day?

[Danny]

The first day of the Dwarves' year is the day that begins the last cycle of the Moon to begin in Autumn. When on this day both the Sun and Moon may be seen in the sky together, it is called Durin's Day.

O.K, heres a hard one.
What Sindarin word translates into "television"?

[PrinceOfTheWest]

Palantir.

Let's see - who did Éomer marry?

[Saruman]

Her name was Lothíriel, a daughter of the Prince Imrahil of Dol Amroth.

What was Denethor II's wife's name?

[CentaurOreiusFan]

Finduilas of Dol Amroth.
What was Mirkwood named after the War of the Ring?

[PrinceOfTheWest]

Greenwood, right?

What kind of tree did Quickbeam especially love?

[Saruman]

Uh, er...hmm...burrrrraaaarroooooom, I'm not so sure. :D

What was the name of the last ruling monarch of Westernesse?

[PrinceOfTheWest]

It was rowan trees.

That's a trick question. It should have been Tar-Miriel, but her cousin(?) forced a marriage and took the throne, at which point he assumed the name Ar-Pharazon.

What was Tar-Miriel doing when the wave overwhelmed Numenor?

[Saruman]

This one makes me very sad indeed, but she was ascending the Meneltarma, assaying (I believe) to call upon Eru the One, but had done so too late.

I understand Tolkien had other possible stories that differed with his view that Tar-Míriel (named Ar-Zimraphel by her usurper husband) had been forced into the marriage with Ar-Pharazôn, but that she actually eloped with him much against the laws of the Númenor - though I like the other version best. :D

What was Radagast the Brown's true name in the Quenya?

[Pendelton_the_cook]

im fairly sure its Aiwendil, not to sure on the spelling though.

Q. What is the true name of Lórien?

[glamel]

A: im not sure but is it Irmo?

[Pendelton_the_cook]

shoots and scores :D

dont forget to post a question, cos i dont have any good ones lol

[glamel]

What was the Great River of Beleriand?

[Pendelton_the_cook]

im fairly sure its sirion, but i could be wrong.

Q. what is the real name of the 'father of dragons'?

[crjr9833]

How old is Shelob?

[Eressea]

a billlion an one... um... really i do know that one.. grr..... shes thought the decendent of ungoliant,( i dont think there is anywhere that says she is)... um.......

[Saruman]

im fairly sure its Aiwendil, not to sure on the spelling though.

You got it right. :D

[Gondorgirl]

what is the name of Faramir's mother? (hee hee I'm not absolutely sure this one is in the book)

[PrinceOfTheWest]

Oh, it's in the book - certainly in the appendices. Findulas of Amroth. What of hers did Faramir loan to Eowyn?

[Gondorgirl]

that pretty cloak. that's one of my favorite parts, (as you can probably tell.) it's soo cool, sweet, romantic, stop me before I go on...

[zealandDream]

Ok, I guess I will ask a question

What was Galadriel's gift to Sam? (In the books, not movie)

[PrinceOfTheWest]

A box with a "G" on the lid, containing a fine dust that enhanced plant growth, as well as a seed for a mallorn tree.

Where was the seed planted?

[Nikia]

A box with a "G" on the lid, containing a fine dust that enhanced plant growth, as well as a seed for a mallorn tree.

Where was the seed planted?

Where the old party tree had been in the Shire.

Who was Vilya's keeper before Elrond?

[PrinceOfTheWest]

Oooh, that's getting detailed. I'm guessing Gil-galad.

Who had the ring Gandalf wore before Gandalf (I forget the ring's name)?

[Nikia]

It was Narya and Cirdan held it before Gandalf.

Who told Bard Smaug's weak spot?

[LifeMaiden]

That little thrush bird.

What was the name of the heir of Elendil who defeated Harad?

[Nikia]

King Earnil I captured Umbar from the men of Harad, but he didn't defeat them. So I'm going to take a shot in the dark and guess Aragorn. Correct? Incorrect?

[LifeMaiden]

It was actually Hyarmendakil the First who defeated Harad but I got this from volume 12 of the series the History of Middle Earth....


Earnil I was listed as the ruler who began to rebuild the neglected Gondorian navy...said to have been lost at sea in a storm.




Okay....name the five peninsulas of Numenor :D