It is annoying Susan is left out ***TLB Spoilers***

[Jack of Blades]

Isn't it annoying how Susan never enters Narnia after Votdt and even when her brothers and sister do but she says that it was all just a memory or something. If I were the director I would ask C.S Lewis's stepson if I could change that.

[onlymystory]

eww, no!!!!! i would never change the book. there are reasons susan doesnt' believe that we don't know about. And I can guarantee you there's no way Douglas Gresham would ever change something like that.

[sakura_shinguji]

hey...its ok to be like that...remember this...susan is a logical person, so she must have that 'logical' attitude... ;)

[MidianElfwitch]

NO! They can't change the story, that would mess everything up! Besides, it's good to have that perspective thing in movies! ;)

[PrinceOfTheWest]

Isn't it annoying how suseun never enters Narnia after Votdt and even when her brathers and sister do but she says that it was all just a memory or somthing.Actually, neither she nor Peter are allowed to come back after Prince Caspian. It's Edmund and Lucy who are allowed one more visit, in Dawn Treader, but are forbidden after that. Aslan explains that the reason is that they're getting too old, and they have to learn to get to know Him by His name in our world.

The question of why Susan chooses to turn her back on Narnia is a complicated one, made even more difficult by all that she experiences there. Susan witnessed Aslan's death on the Stone Table, mourned for Him through the bitter night, saw His resurrection, rode on His back in triumph, felt His breath, and reigned under His authority. How could such a one turn her back on all that? Yet she does, and the first signs of it can be found if you read Caspian carefully. She's cranky and petulant, and when she finally comes face to face with Aslan, He tells her "you have listened to your fears." What does she fear? It's a good question. One can glean hints from Dawn Treader (see the first chapter, as well as the chapter where Lucy is reading the Magician's Book and comes across the spell for beauty), as well as from Lady Polly's comments in Last Battle. If it's any consolation, Lewis admitted in a private letter that Susan may in the end come to the New Narnia, since she didn't die in the railway accident with the rest - but how, that's the question!

[Rhyanidd]

A). You can't change the story so drastically, no dont get me wrong, I loved Susan, she was always my favorite, I liked them all, but I really liked Susan, probably because she and I are both differnt from everybody in our familys, though we are different in different ways...(weird isnt it?)
B).There is still a chance that she got back to Narnia, because she isn't dead, and as long as 'there is breath there is hope'
C). I think some of her fears are being thought strange!

[CSLewisFan]

Go watch other movies with Anna in them ;)

-Austin

[she-elfwarrior19]

Thanks for putting the poll option of "im a girl";)
Anna Popplewell annoys me and i never have liked the actress, sorry :o

[Jack of Blades]

Actually, neither she nor Peter are allowed to come back after Prince Caspian. It's Edmund and Lucy who are allowed one more visit, in Dawn Treader, but are forbidden after that. Aslan explains that the reason is that they're getting too old, and they have to learn to get to know Him by His name in our world.

The question of why Susan chooses to turn her back on Narnia is a complicated one, made even more difficult by all that she experiences there. Susan witnessed Aslan's death on the Stone Table, mourned for Him through the bitter night, saw His resurrection, rode on His back in triumph, felt His breath, and reigned under His authority. How could such a one turn her back on all that? Yet she does, and the first signs of it can be found if you read Caspian carefully. She's cranky and petulant, and when she finally comes face to face with Aslan, He tells her "you have listened to your fears." What does she fear? It's a good question. One can glean hints from Dawn Treader (see the first chapter, as well as the chapter where Lucy is reading the Magician's Book and comes across the spell for beauty), as well as from Lady Polly's comments in Last Battle. If it's any consolation, Lewis admitted in a private letter that Susan may in the end come to the New Narnia, since she didn't die in the railway accident with the rest - but how, that's the question!
have you read the books?

[Jack of Blades]

Thanks for putting the poll option of "im a girl";)
Anna Popplewell annoys me and i never have liked the actress, sorry :o
how can she annoy you if you haven't met her/

[Jack of Blades]

Go watch other movies with Anna in them ;)

-Austin
you see rite through people don't you. :cool:

[Christine Marie]

First, LOL at your poll having nothing to do with the original question :rolleyes: :D
Second: I liked that Lewis didn't sugar-coat the ending where everything turns out perfect for everyone.
Susan's story isn't finished; she is metaphorically, the person who lost her faith. Some people return to their faith and others continue to be cynical and materialistic, this is a sad fact of life.
I believe Susan returned to her faith and was reunited with her family and friends when it was her time to go : )

[truelovewaits]

do any of you know how to become an annanite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!thanks

[ElectricJello]

I was kinda dissapointed. But I guess CS Lewis didn't want her in there for whatever reason. *shrugs*

[sakura_shinguji]

erm....I just think part that Anna become very very very annoying....the scene at the river, when she ask Peter to drop the sword! that part make me really really mad :o how can she become like that?

[Malacandra]

have you read the books?

/me hands over the "Dumb Question of the Week" prize. :p

[inkspot]

do any of you know how to become an annanite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!thanks
I think just go post in Anna's thread and get yourself a banner which says Annanite. You don't have to join or anything.

[xovermyheadx]

i dont like this thread..im leaving

[she-elfwarrior19]

I didnt mind her not being in LB.

[stronger_WM]

I put 'yes' and I am a girl.

[xovermyheadx]

thomas...i know ur looking at this thread...read ur email and reply

[Lookintoforever]

I wish Susan was in the last Battle...
she's my favorite... :(

[Josh the Jester]

;) :) hey i'm the same as you I think she's hot also I even got her mailing address!

[PrinceOfTheWest]

I wish Susan was in the last Battle...
she's my favorite... :(did you read the superb story (http://royalmagi.org/library/malacandra/plumber.html) written by our Malacandra? I think you'd love it.

[Jood]

I'm sure hope Adamson doesn't change the books and bring Sue and Peter in when they aren't supposed to be.

[PrinceOfTheWest]

I'm sure hope Adamson doesn't change the books and bring Sue and Peter in when they aren't supposed to be.I sure hope that Adamson (or whoever does the directing) has the smarts to realize that the entire Narnia film project will stand or fall on the basis of how faithful they remain to the books. The first one was surprisingly close. I hope Walden and Doug Gresham are able to crack enough whip to keep it that way.

[Jack of Blades]

;) :) hey i'm the same as you I think she's hot also I even got her mailing address!
uhhh, no, i was talking about susan the book caracter, i wasn't talking about seeing Anna on screen, for fifty times (although....)

[Rhyanidd]

They just simply cannot change the books so drastically!

POTW: I have to disagree with you on how close they were...they got the overall "AFFECT" sort of...but they didn't impress me that much..or at all...and I was expecting it to be like Ella Enchanted (compared to the book wise)

[Oddish]

What you must remember is that C. S. Lewis, while he did not intent for the Narnia books to be pure Christian allegory, he did leaven them with important Christian lessons. Susan was never a traitor like Edmund, nor was she a brat like Eustace. However, once Aslan got their attention, Edmund and Eustance followed him until the end. Susan, on the other hand, let the world's petty concerns blind her to what matters most, leaving her as a very superficial young lady. Her fate, though unresolved at the end, is a stern warning to all Christian believers everywhere: don't stray from the path of righteousness.

As far as Anna is concerned, I'm not voting either way. I'm not a girl, but she's a wee bit too young for my tastes.

[~Grateful * Surrender~]

What you must remember is that C. S. Lewis, while he did not intent for the Narnia books to be pure Christian allegory, he did leaven them with important Christian lessons. Susan was never a traitor like Edmund, nor was she a brat like Eustace. However, once Aslan got their attention, Edmund and Eustance followed him until the end. Susan, on the other hand, let the world's petty concerns blind her to what matters most, leaving her as a very superficial young lady. Her fate, though unresolved at the end, is a stern warning to all Christian believers everywhere: don't stray from the path of righteousness.

As far as Anna is concerned, I'm not voting either way. I'm not a girl, but she's a wee bit too young for my tastes.

I think Lewis was sort of going back to the parable about the seeds. Ed and Eustace were the seeds that fell on fertile soil and brought back 100 fold, while Susan was the seed that fell among the thorns. She was willing to believe but when the cares of this world came on strong she forsook the belief in Narnia and was choked out by everything else.

[Whin]

hey,

i heard many people say
"i didn't like the movie, the books are better"
i liked the movie
but some things i missed in the new movie
i didn't like that
if thats going to happen in the following movies... :(

[~JadisTheWhiteWitch~]

well I liked the movie :)except the part where my favorite char was killed by Aslan but besides that it was a good movie

[Oddish]

Well, whaddaya expect? She not only killed Aslan, but then she went into battle wearing his mane as a trophy.

Regarding Susan, it's important that Lewis did not resolve her fate. When Lucy, Edmund, and Eustace encountered him at the world's edge, prior to their return home; Aslan reminded them that there is a path to his country from all worlds, and that they must begin to get close to him in their own. If Lucy and Edmund could do it, so could Susan. As Lewis himself said, in the previously mentioned letter, perhaps Susan finally did make it there, in her own way.

[~Grateful * Surrender~]

I agree. I think that Susan's fate is a bit unresolved in ways. I for one think that Lewis left it like that to show that even if you fll away there is a chance of comming back. I am sor of writing ashort sotry about it in the writing section of this forum...I mean I am not half as good as lewis but I am just taking his idea and running wiht it.

[umbrellaxscenexcore]

I think the dVD will also have additional scem=nes cuz in the trailer in the end(luk clossely) u c the older king edmung dancing wif queen susan like crazy!!

[~JadisTheWhiteWitch~]

Well, whaddaya expect? She not only killed Aslan, but then she went into battle wearing his mane as a trophy.

Regarding Susan, it's important that Lewis did not resolve her fate. When Lucy, Edmund, and Eustace encountered him at the world's edge, prior to their return home; Aslan reminded them that there is a path to his country from all worlds, and that they must begin to get close to him in their own. If Lucy and Edmund could do it, so could Susan. As Lewis himself said, in the previously mentioned letter, perhaps Susan finally did make it there, in her own way.

I know that but still she's my favorite char I didn't care what she did to the lion

[Malacandra]

Really I can't go around thinking Susan is hot, I mean, I'm old enough to be her father... so sorry, I have to record a dissenting vote. :eek:

(I blush at the praise for my unworthy words. :p )

[Parthian King]

Actually, neither she nor Peter are allowed to come back after Prince Caspian. It's Edmund and Lucy who are allowed one more visit, in Dawn Treader, but are forbidden after that. Aslan explains that the reason is that they're getting too old, and they have to learn to get to know Him by His name in our world.

The question of why Susan chooses to turn her back on Narnia is a complicated one, made even more difficult by all that she experiences there. Susan witnessed Aslan's death on the Stone Table, mourned for Him through the bitter night, saw His resurrection, rode on His back in triumph, felt His breath, and reigned under His authority. How could such a one turn her back on all that? Yet she does, and the first signs of it can be found if you read Caspian carefully. She's cranky and petulant, and when she finally comes face to face with Aslan, He tells her "you have listened to your fears." What does she fear? It's a good question. One can glean hints from Dawn Treader (see the first chapter, as well as the chapter where Lucy is reading the Magician's Book and comes across the spell for beauty), as well as from Lady Polly's comments in Last Battle. If it's any consolation, Lewis admitted in a private letter that Susan may in the end come to the New Narnia, since she didn't die in the railway accident with the rest - but how, that's the question!

have you read the books?

Friend, twenty years ere you were born to grace God's green earth, Prince of the West had read these books, and has many, many times since.

[Charn_Tim]

Really I can't go around thinking Susan is hot, I mean, I'm old enough to be her father... so sorry, I have to record a dissenting vote.
That's no reason to cast a dissenting vote :)

Parthian King, you didn't vote in the poll...what's the deal with that? :D

[Parthian King]

Parthian King, you didn't vote in the poll...what's the deal with that? :D

Tim, a man without sufficient information never tenders a guess on these things. I have no idea what the weather is like where Anna Popplewell currently resides, nor what the central temperature control system of her home may be like. How should I know whether or not she's hot? ;)

[Charn_Tim]

Tim, a man without sufficient information never tenders a guess on these things. I have no idea what the weather is like where Anna Popplewell currently resides, nor what the central temperature control system of her home may be like. How should I know whether or not she's hot? ;)
LOL - nice try, wise guy...BTW, your brother seemed to know those things...hmmm...;)

[Rhyanidd]

Tim, a man without sufficient information never tenders a guess on these things. I have no idea what the weather is like where Anna Popplewell currently resides, nor what the central temperature control system of her home may be like. How should I know whether or not she's hot? ;)
oh dear its gone technical on us.....

[SusanoftheSouthernSun]

I have always been a big Susan fan. In fact, I have begun a story that will be about what happened to Susan after "The Last Battle". I think that she could have joined them. After all, her fate is not sealed. I think she just had to find her way back.

[~Grateful * Surrender~]

I have always been a big Susan fan. In fact, I have begun a story that will be about what happened to Susan after "The Last Battle". I think that she could have joined them. After all, her fate is not sealed. I think she just had to find her way back.
Hey I'm writing a bit of a story on that myself. i am posting in by bits in the writing section of the forum its called Faith Much Greater. HCeck it out and tell me what you think.

[Oddish]

QUOTE: "I have no idea what the weather is like where Anna Popplewell currently resides, nor what the central temperature control system of her home may be like. How should I know whether or not she's hot?"

Good one, PK. :D

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Who knows how Susan's journey unfolds? Figure she's in her mid-20's when the railway accident occurs, wiping away her family in one terrible stroke. Perhaps that forces her to reevaluate how she lived her life. Or, perhaps it becomes all that she has, and it takes years for her to realize that she's drinking from a dry well. Or, maybe never. The only person who could give us a final answer is Jack himself, and he's already off reading the Great Story.

[♣Teh Deviant♣]

oh god and i thought this was a serious discussion topic...well i used to think she was ugly cuz she has big lips but now i think shes pretty if that matters. If she only had bigger eyes tho.
but yea they should stick to the book and shouldnt change it. tho i will miss anna popplewell being in the movie, not as much as susan tho...

[Rhyanidd]

WOW...lots of people are writing stories bout susan...intresting I used to think I was the only one who would defend susan....

[SusanoftheSouthernSun]

WOW...lots of people are writing stories bout susan...intresting I used to think I was the only one who would defend susan....

You are definately not the only one. I think there are two type of people when it comes to Susan. You either defend her and believe she could still join her siblings, or you think she was wrong and missed her chance and should be punished/suffer. I am definately in the first group.

[Rhyanidd]

Yeah, I hate people that always asume the worst of characters in books...in real life...well thats a different story...:D

[Lookintoforever]

I LOVE SUSAN!!!
haha....

[~Grateful * Surrender~]

You are definately not the only one. I think there are two type of people when it comes to Susan. You either defend her and believe she could still join her siblings, or you think she was wrong and missed her chance and should be punished/suffer. I am definately in the first group.

I suppose I am in both. I think she should be punished for turning away from Narnia and all but I also believe in grace and mercy.

[SusanoftheSouthernSun]

I suppose I am in both. I think she should be punished for turning away from Narnia and all but I also believe in grace and mercy.

So you kind of either fall into the middle, or into a third category.

[PrinceOfTheWest]

All this talk of Susan being "punished" is missing the point. Nobody did anything to her; she simply reaped the results of her own choices. She wasn't expelled from Narnia, she chose to walk away. If someone walks away, not even Aslan can drag them back against their own will.

[glamel]

All this talk of Susan being "punished" is missing the point. Nobody did anything to her; she simply reaped the results of her own choices. She wasn't expelled from Narnia, she chose to walk away. If someone walks away, not even Aslan can drag them back against their own will.

I agree. She chose her way. It is only she who drive her life, coz Aslan is just there to support her. In the end, It would still be her own decision.

[SusanoftheSouthernSun]

I agree. She chose her way. It is only she who drive her life, coz Aslan is just there to support her. In the end, It would still be her own decision.

Well, that is true. In a way though, she is punishing herself and did it when she turned her back. I do always like to think that she realized her mistake and returned back to being Queen Susan. She just would have to ask for forgiveness from Aslan and truly mean it.

[straitjackit]

Nah, if Su doesn't die in the books, lets keep it that way. Makes for fun fanfiction... Despite the fact I really didn't like Susan - she reminded me of my aunt... Bleh.

[Charn_Tim]

Nah, if Su doesn't die in the books, lets keep it that way. Makes for fun fanfiction... Despite the fact I really didn't like Susan - she reminded me of my aunt... Bleh.
Hey, don't talk that way about Susan! She will choose Narnia in the end!...Once a King or Queen of Narnia, always a King or Queen!! :)

And how dare you vote no in the poll!

[straitjackit]

Hey, don't talk that way about Susan! She will choose Narnia in the end!...Once a King or Queen of Narnia, always a King or Queen!! :)

And how dare you vote no in the poll!

Hey, I'm entitled to my opinion on whether she's hot or not. And I didn't think she was... Now, Skandar... *drools*
Anyway, yeah, maybe in the end she'd return to Narnia - I have nothing against her! On ff.net, I wrote nice fluffy stuff about her!!
Finding Narnia (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2808583/1/)
Rest (sequel to Finding Narnia) (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2809033/1/)
I'm just saying they shouldn't change the film to do that to Su. It's her story, let her live it.

[DeplorableWord]

Hey, I'm entitled to my opinion on whether she's hot or not. And I didn't think she was... Now, Skandar... *drools*

Please tell me you're a girl. ;)

[glamel]

oh my, she should be,,:D besides, she drools for Skandar:p
hehehe....

[SusanoftheSouthernSun]

I agree. Once a King of Queen of Narnia, always a King or Queen of Narnia. I used that line in my first Narnia fanfic (though it is certainly not going to be the last). As for the movies, they are doing Prince Caspian next, with all of them, so I bet they will stay true to the books.

[straitjackit]

Please tell me you're a girl. ;)
I am a girl. :D Why, were you afraid?

[Charn_Tim]

I am a girl. :D Why, were you afraid?
I was :rolleyes: ...but we're cool now :cool:

[straitjackit]

Cool. Sorry about that.

[King_John_V1]

Isn't it annoying how Susan never enters Narnia after Votdt and even when her brothers and sister do but she says that it was all just a memory or something.

i have a problem with this,"her brothers and sister do"

peter does not, he goes to the new narnia

[Jack of Blades]

You are wrong.
Peter does go back. Aslan asks him where is Susan and he says that she doesn't care about Narnia anymore.

[Aslan-Edmund]

Sure. I would too if I were you ;)

[PrinceOfTheWest]

Peter does go back. Aslan asks him where is Susan and he says that she doesn't care about Narnia anymore.Actually, it was King Tirian who asked after Susan. Aslan knew all about the situation.

[SusanoftheSouthernSun]

I am working on a story that will explain it, at least, the way I think it should go. I still think Susan could have joined the others, since their deaths would have been horrible wake up call.

[Thenaiadhobbit]

Read this story!
Its called Susan's Fate( (After The Last Battle)! (http://www.narniafans.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5683)

[Pevensie89]

OMG Who dies?!

[Jack of Blades]

OMG Who dies?!
Everyone except Susan, they all die by a collisian (well, more of run-over) by a train

[SusanoftheSouthernSun]

Though I still say there is a chance for her still...a chance for her to realize she was wrong and that one day she will join her family and friends there.

[Someonebeatmetowunderkind]

Isn't it annoying how Susan never enters Narnia after Votdt and even when her brothers and sister do but she says that it was all just a memory or something. If I were the director I would ask C.S Lewis's stepson if I could change that.

Not Annoying, but it's sad. I wouldn't change a thing. Susan was the one who had the most trouble believing in Narnia. It stands to reason that if anyone would stop believeing it would be her.

Like I said. It was sad that she didn't go with the rest in the Last Battle.

[Something Wicked!!~.^]

well...I don't really like Susan Or the girl who plays her but the answer to your question? NO...Susan was always the more sinicle of the four children perhaps even more than Edmund...In Prince Caspian (in the old movie) she told Lucy that she had seen Aslan,but only after Peter had said he'd seen him too,I suppose she saw it as children believing and being Susan she didn't want to seem foolish in the eyes of the elder two of the group.
and it doesn't expresly say she dies or whatever your thinking,she just isn't with them because she has 'grown up and is to old for childish games,like Aslan and Narnia' though not a quote it does express her feelings on the subject,as Lucy said in the Last Battle 'she's far more interested in panty-hose and boys' THAT'S why she isn't in TLB...

[WilliamMoseleyLuver]

I agree with Wunderkind. I think that it was very sad and i hope Andrew Adamson writes Anna into the last movie cos i think it's unfair on her!

[LifeMaiden]

I'm a woman but I'm not gay or anything, and I can admire beauty in another female. I think Anna Poppelwell has a very pristine beauty that reminds me of a winter sunrise...fair skin, blue eyes, and that English look going for her...classic features.

Susan didn't annoy me as a character simply because each Pevensie had their own unique personality. Each one contributed their own qualities ( and flaws) to the plot and script, as they did in the book. Susan struck me as always being the logical, common-sense one, which can translate as 'boring' but in reality is pragmatic.

[~The Narnia Addict~]

I would not change the books, but it is a little cheesy she is left out. CS Lewis did have a reason to keep her out of the books i guess

[Daughter*of*the*King]

eww, no!!!!! i would never change the book. there are reasons susan doesnt' believe that we don't know about. And I can guarantee you there's no way Douglas Gresham would ever change something like that.

Amen!!
Stay as close to the book as possible. That is always best!!!