Bree: CGI Or Real?

[crjr9833]

I say CGI, if the graphics are realistic enough.

[Dead Rain]

i'm not sure. if it's like the BBC Aslan, i wouldn't be unhappy. i never imagined Bree's mouth moving when i was reading the book. i don't really like computer animated stuff. most of it doesn't look real.

[pacifiquesea]

That is of course unless the horse is the famous Mr. Ed.

[Rhindon]

If the horse was CG then the actor for Shasta wouldn't have a real horse to interact with.

[Y. Fish]

If they could find the people who did the mouths for Babe, that would be great. Whatever they did, whether it was advanced CGI or just well-applied peanut butter to the roof of the mouth, those animals looked like they were really talking.

I think they need a real horse for the part. Even the best CGI has a certain magazine-like sheen that makes it look fake.

[rosymole]

By the time HHB gets into production I'm sure CGI technology will be advancfe enough not to make the horses look too silly, i do agree with DR tho - if the mouths start moving then it gives a quite comical air which wouldn't do the film any favours. I think they'll have to use a combination of the two for distance and close ups.

[Rhindon]

Well, if the horse's mouth doesn't move, then it won't make sense for the beavers and all the other animals' mouthes to move either.

[rosymole]

I see your point Rhindon, but if actaully llok at a horse, the size of its lips and teeth and the construction of it's jaw then to have that moving ina way which words could be formed makes it too ridiculous IMO, I know that beavers also have rather pronounced front teeth- but their mouths are more human in propartion so won't look as daft

[Rhindon]

Maybe if people saw horses talk a great deal they could compare the two. I work around horses quite a bit and it's not that bad. Remember the movie Babe? That horse didn't look too unrealistic. And besides, I would imagine that a wolf would be harder than a horse.

[Dead Rain]

but Mr Ed? i mean, i was really truely freaked out when his mouth moved. horses' teeth are not the prettiest thing in the world. if ya know what i mean.

[rosymole]

I've never seen Babe actually - i was obsessed with the Dick King Smith books when i was younger and didn't want to spoil what I'd already imagined ( i saw the trailers and remember taking acception to the accents i think).
I too have spent time around horses and isf any of them started talking to me I'd run a mile! I think they should keep the mouth movement to a minmum for all creatures, except the occassional curled lip in anger perhaps?

[Valin Kenobi]

I think it should be a real horse as much as possible, except for stunts, certain long-shots or unrealistic actions, etc.

It would be too weird to have no mouth movement--then it's just a disembodied voice--so I reckon low-key CGI for the mouth would be in order. These are Narnian horses after all, and if we accept that they talk, we should be able to accept that their mouths move like a human's. ;)

[piercinglite]

While I was reading the book I always imagained the horses mouth moving just because of the way it was written into the story. I trust them to do whatever looks best onscreen, although I would like to see as much of a real horse as possible

[she-elfwarrior19]

i voted CGI

[borntofly]

I don't really know...Bree is in my imagination....I can't picture him any other way than the way he is fixed in my mind. That's what I don't like about books turned into movies. I agree with piercinglite (hello by the way!! welcome to our humble abode!!) I know I could never bring these books to life other than in my imagination, so I trust that whatever they do will be all right...I guess :confused: .

[CloakedShadow]

I choose a real horse... I can't remember who said it, but I didn't imgine Bree's mouth moving either.... maybe when he whinnied... but other than that...http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v459/Smileysmiles/shrug.gif

[GrayCloak]

I agree with CS - a real horse would look better IMO.

[she-elfwarrior19]

but in the end, i dont really care how Bree looks, i'll be happy with w/e.
Hey cloaked shadow, love yer avvie

[inkspot]

Welcome Piercing Light, I didn't see you post before.

I voted CGI because I am in love with CGI. I think it is fabulous and hope they will eventually replace human actors with CGI. Then we can be spared the shenanigans of actors' private lives splashed across the tabloids. I wonder if we can CGI some musicians, too?

[she-elfwarrior19]

ya i agree with inkspot

[waterhogboy]

What'd happen if all the CGItes decided to overthrow their creators and took over the world! You wouldnt be so excited aobut it then - would ya!!

[holyboy]

What'd happen if all the CGItes decided to overthrow their creators and took over the world! You wouldnt be so excited aobut it then - would ya!!

ITS A MOVIE!!!! :D CGIs can't take over the world...yet...I hope...

Anyways, I think it would be better to have a CGI horse. There is no point making the horse real, with a little CGI. It would stand out a bit too much. But who knows? WETA and Walden will figure something out (if they are still working on it)

[waterhogboy]

How rude Holyboy. They're people too, so at least refer to them by their proper name CGItes!!

I am honestly unsure. Although a CGI moving mouth would be kool - it might look a bit odd and Disneyish. However, I also think it's be silly to see a horse speaking whilst tossing its head around and looking blankly at things and no mouth movement!?

[piercinglite]

When I pictured Bree's mouth moving it wasn't in a wierd sort of way that I'm afraid it might turn out looking in the movie, but who knows how technology will advance by the time they really need to start thinking about this. Whoever said the thing about getting the people from babe - I completely agree.. Wasn't that a disney movie anyhow? Maybe they could come in and work their magic again.

Thanks for all the hello's by the way! :D

[inkspot]

What'd happen if all the CGItes decided to overthrow their creators and took over the world! You wouldnt be so excited aobut it then - would ya!!
I would. I would welcome them: Welcome, CGItes! I am your #1 fan. Please take over the world ...

Except for claymation, is that considered CGI? I can hardly stand claymation people, except for Nightmare Before Christmas, was that claymation, or was that something else? Anyway, CGI good, claymation bad.

[Pendelton_the_cook]

look no doubt all of u have seen lord of the rings, gollum was done so well that when i watch the movie i look at him as if he were real because he looks it, i think if they do CGI it has to be good or it will kill the movie and character. its just the matter of making it work.

[waterhogboy]

Warney = Legend, Billy Bowden = Stooge, Simon Jones = Spanner

Awwwwww - is someone upset because they got beaty weaty in the last test!?!? Awwwwwwww...

Dont be jealous of Jonesy's skill - just revere it instead. :D

[Tarkheena_Finduilas22]

I think it'll be fine to do a real horse and a CGI mouth. i think his mouth should deffinetly move. That's just the way I thought it was. Just please. Not like Mr. Ed. ;)

[benjamin_narnialover]

i'd be scared if they did a copmletely cgi bree. the cgi horses tehy did in some of the scenes from rotk made the shots look like they were out of a video game. Also when they did gollum, all the shots where actors were scuffling with him looked fake. imagine shasta galloping on bree's back, bareback. i'd be extremely surprised/impressed if that looked real.

[inkspot]

i'd be scared if they did a copmletely cgi bree. the cgi horses tehy did in some of the scenes from rotk made the shots look like they were out of a video game.
Get out! Which shots were CGI horses? I guess I am too gullible to watch movies.

[Peter's_Unicorn]

they should definitely do a real horse with a CGI mouth and nose, because if they do anywhere near as good as Racing Stripes was done, it'll be excellent, you couldn't even tell it was CG

[Aravis Kenobi]

I think they should find a horse that is like the description of Bree in the book, then integrate the real actions with those of a CGI horse. I hope everyone understands that.

[office]

thay should do what they did for the wolves on lww. which is that they used cgi annd real and sort of combined them

[narnia+north]

I voted 4 a real horse with CGI mouth and nose. They did a good job with Philip. So i thought that bree should be just as good.

[Tirian of Narnia]

actually, if they do make the horse and his boy, Bree, being one of the main characters, better look a little bit better than Phillip. He didn't even look like he was talking.

[narnia+north]

Do u like to watch the movie that closely? I just watch it. I don't even pay attention to stuff like that.

[Tirian of Narnia]

I know, I'm a total Narnia geek and I have the DVD. So... yeah, if you give a Narnia geek a DVD he's bound to pause, a rewind and stuff looking for mistakes and cool screen shots. :D LOL
EDIT: Besides the fact that I've watched it like, three million times. LOL

[finduilas]

It should definately be a real horse with CGI mouth and nose.

First of all, because Bree is a main character, the two kids will have to interact with him a lot and it will look more real if they have a real horse to act with.

Second, for those of you who were unhappy with Phillip, because they have used the technology once before, and because there will have to be a lot of time put into Bree due to his role, it will look a lot more real than Phillip did. (even though I personally thought that they did a decent job with Philip)

I guess you just have to remember that technology has advanced so much in the past few years, and it will continue to grow so that even making a talking horse will become flawless.

[Natasia_Vae]

They should probably use real horses for Bree and just give him a CGI muzzle. It looked pretty realistic for Racing Stripes. :)

[~The Narnia Addict~]

real horse with cgi mouth and nose, like they did with phillip

[LifeMaiden]

I'll agree with the vast majority here and say Bree should be like Phillip :)...real horse with CGI mouth and nose.

[Queen Swanwhite]

I think Bree should be a mxture of real and CGI. Like the Minotaur in LWW. it look realistic and I think Bree should be the same :D

[PeterC]

I say A real horse with a CGI mouth and nose
Making a whole horse is CGI=Waste of time and money when you could have a horse!

[~The Narnia Addict~]

Yeah I agree with MadMan...

SAME WITH HWIN!!

[Tootsie]

I think it's only fair that they should have a real horse. How else is Shasta supposed to ride a horse? I mean, I think it would look fake if they did ALL of it CG, wouldn't it? For me it would, and if there's one thing I cannot STAND in movies it's when you can TELL the horse is fake. It's all horse, except for the nose and mouth. Isn't that how they did it for Narnia: LWW?

[Hothir-Ethelnor]

I think they should use a real horse for the actor to interact with but I think that they will CGI the mouth in most parts where he is speaking, there is really no reason to CGI the entire horse at all as far as I can tell, he really doesn't do anything that dumb Calormene horses don't do (except speak) so I vote that he will be a real horse with a CGI mouth.

[Something Wicked!!!~.^]

Of course he should be real! :eek:
Philip was real, wasn't he?! :confused:
Though of course his mouth'll have to be computerized. .

[Peter's_Unicorn]

I think it's only fair that they should have a real horse. How else is Shasta supposed to ride a horse? I mean, I think it would look fake if they did ALL of it CG, wouldn't it? For me it would, and if there's one thing I cannot STAND in movies it's when you can TELL the horse is fake. It's all horse, except for the nose and mouth. Isn't that how they did it for Narnia: LWW?
Yeah, and there's a HUGE chance that Bree (and Hwin, even though this thread isn't about her) will nuzzle Shasta and Aravis, how is Bree gonna get saddled up, and I think I remember them grazing in the book. Grazing has gotta be hard to CG!!!!!

[Tirian of Narnia]

now I'm thinking it should be Bree's whole head that's CGI A real horse's eyes don't express the emotions I see on bree's face every time I read HAHB.

[Aslan's Beloved Daughter]

I say CGI, because they did an awesome job with Phillip in LWW without confusing the viewers. They will do great as CGI characters, and still have the look and feel as Aslan, Mr. and Mrs. Beaver, etc.