Question for all christians!

[Jed of Spare Oom]

Ok, I hope that this is in the right spot. Ok, one of my classmates has this book on using your mind i guess. Anyway, him and another think that it is ok to think that you can learn to move things with your mind and be transported out of your body to travel somewhere else. Another of my classmates said that it wasn't very Christian. What do you on here think of this?

[Gryphon]

I think that trying to use any force by ourselves is something called witchcraft. When you try to manipulate things on your own thats simply what it is, its witchcraft. I think the concept is cool, heck i'd like to zap myself to and fro. Even pick up my room without lifting a finger, but to be honest to try and actually do this probably isnt as safe as some might think it is. After all, if you arent certain about something its better not even to bother with it. If you dont know if its fire or not you wont touch it. The Spirit of God might be trying to tell you something if you arent certain about it. Good thing your asking because more than likely it isnt safe.

[Gibby]

Good grief, where do people come up with this stuff, anyway? Well, Jed, does it glorify God? Is it biblical? Test everything against God's Word. What do you think? Sounds quite fishy to me.

Test it, is it biblical?

2 Timothy 3:16
16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

1 Thessalonians 5:21
21Test everything. Hold on to the good.

[inkspot]

Astral projection is a cool concept of eastern thought: the idea that you can send your consciousness flying out of your body to observe other places and things. I truly believe that it can be done by adepts in eastern spirituality, but I think it is a risky thing to do because: while we are alive, our souls belong in our bodies. If you sever that link and make your spirit just a spirit, won't you be out there with the other spirits, and some of them are VERY BAD, or what we would call demons. You don't want to leave your body lying around with no spirit in it, in case a demon can get in, and you don't want to send your spirit out there to rub elbows with demons. I think something bad could happen. I don't have anything in Scripture which says this, but the idea sounds very risky to me. I would say, don't do it.

[kirke]

The practice of telekenisis and hypnotism (i think those are what you are described) are completly real, and are very dangerous. When one practices those, especially the hypnotism and out of body experiences, you must open your body to free that inner whatever they want to call it... In doing so, you give a wide door for the devil to enter. It is very dangerous, and i think litterally playing ding dong ditch with the gates of hell. It is deffinatly not safe, especially when they figure out how to correctly do it. I would personally warn any christian from participating in that stuff.

[Gibby]

The practice of telekenisis and hypnotism (i think those are what you are described) are completly real, and are very dangerous.

I'm not so sure about hynosis. I have been to trainings taught by clinical psychologists that use hypnosis as a form of therapy. Hypnosis is simply a willing person relaxing to a point where someone can access your subconscious memory. Your subconscious is like a video camera that was turned on the day you were born, recording every little detail that occurs around you. It can be very difficult for a person to access the tape on that video recorder within themselves so a psychologist can go in and rewind the video tape and replay it in order to reveal specific details about someones past. It is very useful, particularly when interviewing the victims of violent crimes. They can recall details of a suspect or a crime scene by hypnosis. I've seen this work. For example, someone was shown a clip of a movie. Then they were asked questions about what they saw. Consciously, they missed many details, such as obvious ones like the color of the main actor's shirt. but the subconscious saw it all. The person then was willingly hypnotized, and they were able to replay the movie back in slow motion and recall every little detail about a scene, such as colors of people's clothes in the background, how many buttons the main actor had on his shirt, etc.

[Hope96]

I agree with Inkspot 100% on this. You should stay away from that kind of stuff. And as far as hypnosis, I'm leary of that as well. To me, if you willingly allow yourself to be hypnotized then you are opening up your mind. Just like Inkspot said about having your spirit leave your body. When you do that you are leaving your physical body just lying there unattended. Who knows what may enter it. Same with the mind. Being hypnotized is like freely opening up control of your mind to someone else and who knows what kind of spirits/demons out there are just waiting for that opportunity.

[Jed of Spare Oom]

Good grief, where do people come up with this stuff, anyway? Well, Jed, does it glorify God? Is it biblical? Test everything against God's Word. What do you think? Sounds quite fishy to me.

Test it, is it biblical?

2 Timothy 3:16
16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

1 Thessalonians 5:21
21Test everything. Hold on to the good.


I myself personnaly don't approve of it either. I agree with all of you that it is very dangerous. I just needed some outside ideas to help back my thoughts up, so that he doesn't think that I'm the only one. they were trying one day to argue that it was Christian. Something to maybe do with the vact the Christ preformed miracles, but I didn't fully hear it. They were arguing with onther one of my friends. But thank you for you comments they help alot to better get the points accross. I don't know if I would have thought of all that you guys have said. But if any more of you have anything to say about this feel free to post.

[Gibby]

I agree with Inkspot 100% on this. You should stay away from that kind of stuff. And as far as hypnosis, I'm leary of that as well. To me, if you willingly allow yourself to be hypnotized then you are opening up your mind. Just like Inkspot said about having your spirit leave your body. When you do that you are leaving your physical body just lying there unattended. Who knows what may enter it. Same with the mind. Being hypnotized is like freely opening up control of your mind to someone else and who knows what kind of spirits/demons out there are just waiting for that opportunity.

Yeah, maybe you're right; I don't know. I personally did not volunteer for hypnosis; I felt uncomfortable about it.

[kirke]

i totally agree with you ther gibby on that hypnosys isnt bad, but the form they are describing isnt regular hypnosis, it is actually leaving your body experience type... i hypnotise myself every time i drive... it makes me nervous sometimes, but unless something unusual happens i get in the car and next thing i know i am at home. That hypnosis is almost uncrontrollable by yourself, the kind you describe is almost the same except you allow the person to hypnotise you. Those i wouldnt say are not so bad, but trying to make you leave your body is deffinatly not smart.

[underthefryingpan]

its like the oija board: stay away from it. if its directed towards empowering us and glorifying us instead of directing our hearts to god and his majesty, be very wary with it. also, by their fruits you shall know them. does this affect you in a negative way? in a subtly negative way?

[ADL]

i think but not sure there is a difference between Out of body expereines and just plain telekenesis. i think the OBE is a lil creepy but hat you arent leaving your body its all preception, i think, so its like a real dream to a point. where telekenesis is just clearing the mind of everyday stress focusing on a thing(uh a compass) and having the dial spin. i feel the spinning of a compass isnt harmful but the OBEs can be. anyone with other comments/ideas

[inkspot]

Welcome gamestoreindex. I love your signature -- one of my favorite verses.

Can you elaborate on how the silver cord of Ecclesiastes is a reference to astral projection? I have never heard this before, and if it is true, it is the only reference in the whole Bible to something that -- if not evil -- could be a great resource for many believers. (I do not believe this, but I would welcome your documentation posted here.)

[CentaurMan]

EVIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! moving things with your mind is completly Satanism. if God ment for us to do that we would have been born with that ability

[DeplorableWord]

Well, we weren't born with the ability to speak in tounges or perform miracles, but some Christians can... :)

[inkspot]

Thanx, gamestore. I understand you now.

[CentaurMan]

Well, we weren't born with the ability to speak in tounges or perform miracles, but some Christians can... i guess i wasnt thinking about that.

[Rhyanidd]

Well, we weren't born with the ability to speak in tounges or perform miracles, but some Christians can... :)

NO, we weren't born knowing all those things, but we can learn, some people have, shall we say, talent for it. aka my sister!...anyway I dont think that transporting things with your mind is....Christian, Because the power is comingfrom inside yourself, and our strength is supposed to come from God,....
I know it would be so cool to be able to do that, but I can't say its Christian..and I don't think its safe!

[Fire_Phoenix]

Believing that your spirit can be seperated from your body is true in only one sense: when you die, your spirit leaves your body,which is just a temporary shell housing your spirit, and is transported to heaven (or hell). But, if you believe that that can happen in life, I think that that is something that is definately not from God. In other words, it is a type of witchcraft.

[Aslan's Son]

I personally think it might be bad. I do believe that there might be select people who have some sort of paranormal abilities (God given, I mean-but few, and I mean few). Like twin ESP, which I think could very possible. As for telekenisis and astral projection, I'm not so sure. The Bible says that those type of things are evil things (like one instance where there was a girl who could tell fortunes (she'd been posessed) and the demon was exorcised out her, though I can't remember where I read that in the Bible >_<). Besides that, they're very, very dangerous, and could very well be Lucifer's deceit.

[peter4ever]

im a christian and i like to think about all that. i mean come on. i know in the bible somewhere it says that any sorceress must be killed or something but i like magic. and witchcraft. i just...well like it. and it's not like im going round cursing people am i? and usually people that do do these things aren't necessarily bad people...and usually no-one can do that!!!!! but id like to be able to. but i still respect god