Harry Potter- J.K. Rowling/ All Things HP *Spoiler Free* [Merged]

[CSLewisFan]

Harry Potter discussion discuss the books, movies, cast, author or anything else related :)

I'll start off the discussion.

Why are so many people attracted to the story?

[sarahnarnia1983]

because they are extremley good books and the films are great as well. i like harry potter and narnia because they are by two extremly diffent and talanted authors and they are both about two extremly different worlds from ours.

[legolas]

I love Harry Potter because in most books, you can predict what's going to happen, but in Harry Potter, It's really hard to predict.

[Black_Coffee]

Well, I like HP very much, but If U compare with Tolkien it sounds a little bit dodgy, doesn't it? Actually I am fan, it's just that HP isn't so deep and phylosophical...

[legolas]

There are different things i like about both. LOTR is my favorite movie, Next Pirates of the Carribean and Harry Potter tie, and lastly Narnia (< those are my 4 favorite movies!)

[TheFredster]

I think that most people like Harry Potter so much because there are so many different characters. Everyone can seem to relate to one. The series also appeals to all ages. I don't think Rowling really wanted to be as philosophical as Tolkien. LoTR was written in a totally different era, and Rowling probably wanted to appeal to the newer generations. I think both are very awesome series, but I just wish they could capture the essence of the HP books in the movies.

[Sabertache]

anyone whose read the books cant deny that they're awsome.
but for those whove read the books and then seen the movies (like me)
i think most of them would be disappointed. i knw i was......-_-*
the producers left out waaaaaay too many things nd that really put down how good the movie was.... GoF the 1st task was best in my opinion but other than that i like the 1st and 2nd movies betr......

[peter4ever]

i also think that people can relate to characters alot in HP. I like Hermione because...well i can relate to her!!!

[charming_but_irrational]

Actually, to be quite honest, I think the Harry Potter books are gettings more predictable and less interesting as they go on. There's a pattern to them.

Harry is always getting into trouble. That's one thing.

He's always the center of attention. That's another.

Since book four, someone always has to die. It's always someone important, that the readers love. It's drama.

I realize that these could be considered aspects of the author's writing style, etc... but... I don't know. I'm just getting bored with the books. I'll read the seventh one, to finish the series, but after that, I may not look at them again. Rowling is a good author. She can write a book that's easy to read, and get into. I just happen to think she's running dry on ideas, and looking more at quantity rather than quality.

[Saruman]

You mean, quantity meaning some of these: $$$??? :D :D

[Tweetsie]

Honestly the writing's not that good (No offesne J.K. We love you.) It's the whole idea of being a wizard and going to a school and the imagination put into it.

[NarniaForever]

Honestly the writing's not that good (No offesne J.K. We love you.) It's the whole idea of being a wizard and going to a school and the imagination put into it.
i know!!! everyone dies!!! i got so mad at the book i literally slung it across the room!! i think that harry's gonna die next like evil gonna rein over good, and if he doesn't die Jk should keep writing or maybe they both die!! i hope that another female comes into the story i'm getting bored with just Hermione! but i lurv the books!! th emovies are ok the 3rd porbalby my fav but the 4th one's dance scene like totally lame! and how people say she's loosing her ideas she's not she's got like this whole thing planned out, and the last book is kinda creepy i mean horcruxes! gives me the creeps, you know if she's a christian, man she sure can make up a lot of occult stuff, think about this she knows more about witchcraft and stuff than she does christian stuff, i mean i haven;t seen any christian books she's written but oh well i still luv her she really has a way of captruing the reader!! I just have one more thing to say!! I LUV HARRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SOS~]

The book was good.I don't know what you all are talking about.

[dazzascfc]

I love the Harry Potter books, i think that they are much better than the movies, which i also think are great.

I think that a lot of people are interested in Harry Potter is because it is a very well written and fantastic story to read, i also think that there is a lot of people who would like to believe that a magic is real, even though they know that it isnt and something like Harry Potter allows them to do that with their imagination, i also think that is why there are a lot of adults interested in it as well.


He's always the center of attention. That's another.
The books are called 'Harry Potter' for a reason you know :p

[tgraveline]

Yep, I've always had that hope for something more in this life than just being normal, ha ha. I still want a lightsaber :'(

tg

[glamel]

i love harry potter,..... just because:D

(cant think of anything right now, i have to rush to the conference room for the 2 o clock meeting ) :D :D

[pacifiquesea]

I think the reason people like the books is because they discuss eternal themes. There is a ton of Christian symbolism in Rowling's novels, though they aren't allegories. Someone mentioned not comparing HP to LotR - but why not? The Christian symbolism, the themes, the dynamics, the other useless English major words - it's all in there. It's got to be intentional. Whether she comes out and says that it was intentional will have nothing to do with it - eternity is there in her books. That's why people respond so well to the books - it reminds them of something they've lost, something that they've yet to find again, or are just beginning to find.

[CSLewisFan]

Actually, to be quite honest, I think the Harry Potter books are gettings more predictable and less interesting as they go on. There's a pattern to them.

Harry is always getting into trouble. That's one thing.

He's always the center of attention. That's another.

Since book four, someone always has to die. It's always someone important, that the readers love. It's drama.

I realize that these could be considered aspects of the author's writing style, etc... but... I don't know. I'm just getting bored with the books. I'll read the seventh one, to finish the series, but after that, I may not look at them again. Rowling is a good author. She can write a book that's easy to read, and get into. I just happen to think she's running dry on ideas, and looking more at quantity rather than quality.

There is a good chance the last book might surprise you a bit.
I think you will be very pleased about how it ends.

I agree though, most authors do have a writing "pattern". I think Ms. Rowling does a good job of keeping it entertaining.

-Austin

[Aeradaan]

Honestly the writing's not that good (No offesne J.K. We love you.) It's the whole idea of being a wizard and going to a school and the imagination put into it.

Many people say this, but I completely disagree. Here's why:

Many will say that JK Rowling's writing style does not live up to the writing styles of classic authors and classic lit. Yet I (and many others) find her writing style far more engaging than any classic lit author's...in fact, it's the most engaging writing style I've ever read--and my prefered to read, too. Tolkien's books are amazing--but I think his writing style sometimes bogs me down a bit--not because I don't understand it--but just because it's simply not as engaging and doesn't flow as well as HP. Not to put down on Tolkien, of course--he's a genius and a master of literature.

But with HP, I can't put the books down. The writing just strings me a long. Put it this way: I spent 12 hours doing nothing but reading Order of the Phoenix when it came out--only stopping to eat. I finished that 900 page book in 12 hours after buying it at midnight. Same with Half-Blood Prince (though it was shorter). It took me an entire year to wade through Lord of the Rings, which in all is about 1000 pages I believe.

In some ways though, I wish HP didn't flow so well and wasn't so addicting, so I wouldn't be able to read it all in one day...you know, savour it a little more. But ah well.

JMO.

[SOS~]

The book isn't Christian nor is it evil.

[Saruman]

The book isn't Christian nor is it evil.

You are right to say it isn't Christian, though I don't know about its not being evil. I receive regular e-mails from a very popular bookstore company, and in receiving their coupon it showed the picture of a little boy tucked snuggly in bed gripping a large book entitled "Wizardology." This deeply frightened me; Harry Potter instantly came into my mind as I looked at the picture.

Firstly, as I have said before, I do not condemn anyone for reading Harry Potter. Yet I have a deep problem compromising my faith in God by reading any of these books, especially if the author dabbles in traditional paganism that stems from different pagan cults (i.e. the use of names such as Voldemort, the nameless one, and other entitles popular in pagan circles). What's worse (and what greatly distinguishes this series from Chronicles of Narnia and LOTR) is that the young children happen to attend the "Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry." Some have failed to see the differences in the use of magic between JKR's writings and those of Lewis and Tolkien. While Lewis and Tolkien include magic, they do not go to the great lengths and depths as does the author of Harry Potter. Lewis, in his use and discussions of "magic," clearly uses it as a symbol. Even when Lucy, in VDT, looks through a spell book, she receives a crystal clear warning from Aslan not to mess with anything contained in it.

As for Tolkien's magic, there are plenty of essays and volumes of books written on his works (given to us in large part by the wonderful Prof. Christopher Tolkien, Ron's son). He wrote how often men, hobbits, dwarves, etc., had mistakenly referred to the elves' natural abilities and skills as being "magic." Also, men during the Third Age of Middle-earth mistakenly referred to the Istari as "wizards," when, in truth, they were what we might call "angelic messengers," emissaries sent from the Lords of the West to contend with Sauron, though they were prohibited from matching their natural abilities with those of Sauron.

With Harry Potter, however, I see occultism displayed. If you can glean Christian symbolism, allegory, metaphor, etc., from the book, that's great. I think there are grains of truth to be had in a lot of things. Yet I will not compromise my faith through reading something that clearly goes above and beyond the realm of fantasy. I am deeply hurt that the publishing houses have sought to aim this book at a younger audience. That they should do this especially frightens me.

Again, allow me to reiterate my position as one who is not declaring a damnation upon those who enjoy the books. For me, however, this line of "fantasy" is just a little over the edge. I will avoid any appearance of evil, particularly if it comes in the form of witchcraft and wizardry.

[Aeradaan]

According to JK Rowling, the statement that it is not Christian isn't very true. She said that her books are not secular and that the ending of the 7th book will be very closely tied to her faith as a Christian. (Yes, she's a Christian). Here's a post I made in another thread:

I've just gotten into Narnia and started reading the books since LLW came out to movies, and I love this series--because I love HP. In fact, the first thing that struck me when I watched LLW is that it was like a mixture of Lord of the Rings-Lite and Harry Potter. That's why I liked it--because I love HP and Lord of the Rings.

I don't see how you can love Narnia, yet find Harry Potter evil. In fact, I will provide you with evidence that not only is Harry Potter not bad for Christians, but it's actually quite GOOD for them.

First of all, YES, J.K. Rowling is a Christian--she has talked many many times about being one, and she has talked lovingly about it and how her faith in God has helped her through many tough times in her life.

There's also evidence that she uses this in the books. In an interview she gave in the year 2000, someone asked her to speak more deeply about her Christian beliefs. She replied by saying that she felt that if she spoke too much about her Christian faith, that anyone--young or old--would be able to guess the outcome of the final Harry Potter book. (In other words, the ending has something to do with Christianity)

Then, in a more recent interview given after the release of book 6, the interviewer made a point many of you have tried to make and said that her books and characters were secular, and she replied with "No, I do not think they are that secular at all."

Along with various other hints and clues she's dropped, I've come to the conclusion as an avid HP fan that book 7 will end with Harry sacrificing himself in order to destroy Voldemort--and it will end with him standing in heaven before all of those he has lost.

This is foreshadowed in book 5, after Sirius dies, when Harry thinks Voldemort is about to kill him. He thinks to himself "It wouldn't be so bad...I'll get to see Sirius again!"

I think the ending--whether it's like I said or not--will be very shocking to those who think Harry Potter is evil.

Also, about Harry Potter being dark--there is evil in the world. These books MUST have a dark tone about them in order for the final book--and the resolution, to be extremely satisfying.


The occult is no more displayed in Harry Potter than it is in Narnia, Lord of the Rings, or the Wizard of Oz. It is complete fantasy magic. In fact, the magic in Lord of the Rings is closer to real occultic practices than the magic in Harry Potter, yet it is still far from occult magic and it would be silly to label it as anything other than complete fantasy magic. You could also say Lord of the Rings is evil in that it refers to "gods"--false Gods, not our one God. You could therefore make a case that Lord of the Rings is evil and brings on the idea of false worship, yet that would be silly. Why? Because Lord of the Rings is pure fantasy, and Tolkien was a Christian. It is silly to call Harry Potter evil, likewise, because the magic in Harry Potter is complete fantasy (and more like a replacement for technology, not a religion at all) and JK Rowling is a Christian.

In fact, there are references to the one God in Harry Potter. For example, in book 4, the enchanted armors sing "O Come All Ye Faithful" (or it may be Silent Night), and in book 5, someone is humming "God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen". As well, they celebrate Christmas and Easter, and Harry was Christened as a child. Harry has thoughts of going to heaven to be with someone who has just died in book 5 when he himself thinks he may die, and at the end he has a conversation with Luna about heaven.

There is constant Christian symbolism in Harry Potter. There are more references to the real God in Harry Potter than Lord of the Rings-since Lord of the Rings has none. (JRR Tolkien wanted his to be pure fantasy; he didn't like Narnia because of it's heavy use of Christian allegory)

[Saruman]

The occult is no more displayed in Harry Potter than it is in Narnia, Lord of the Rings, or the Wizard of Oz. It is complete fantasy magic. In fact, the magic in Lord of the Rings is closer to real occultic practices than the magic in Harry Potter, yet it is still far from occult magic and it would be silly to label it as anything other than complete fantasy magic. You could also say Lord of the Rings is evil in that it refers to "gods"--false Gods, not our one God. You could therefore make a case that Lord of the Rings is evil and brings on the idea of false worship, yet that would be silly. Why? Because Lord of the Rings is pure fantasy, and Tolkien was a Christian.

Actually, concerning the term used for the Valar, "gods," you are much mistaken, and J.R.R. Tolkien himself writes in a letter to Milton Walden in 1951:

You asked for a brief sketch of my stuff that is connected with my imaginary world....The cycles begin with a cosmogonical myth: the Music of the Ainur. God and the Valar (or powers: Englished as gods) are revealed. These latter are as we should say angelic powers, whose function is to exercise delegated authority in their spheres (of rule and government, not creation, making or re-making).

No, I don't see too much paganism in LOTR, but if you could explain how you see it in LOTR, I would be most grateful to you.

[petersusanlucyedmond]

i don't think harry will die in the last book, then the whole world will die 2

no writer in the right mind would kill off the whole world

[Aeradaan]

Not if Harry was sacrificing himself in order to SAVE the whole world.

And I really can't put the pagan references into it here--because I know very little about paganism. I am merely refering to an article I read long ago showing the magic in Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings, and it's relation to paganism. The article showed the while the magic in Lord of the Rings is closer to real pagan magic than the magic in HP, neither have much of a relationship to paganism at all.

I have a friend who WAS a wiccan though, into necromancy, etc...and from the little I have learned about it from her (She's a Christian now--ironically, her search to DISPROVE the Bible caused her to believe in God) it is far different from anything in Lord of the Rings OR HP.

The point I was making is that according to things I've read (though I can't say myself;I know very little about pagan ways, as I have not read a book that teaches about pagan magick--only fantasy books like Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings) the magic in Lord of the Rings is closer to pagan magic than that in Harry Potter, yet it is not close at all.

It is FANTASY magic. Period. If the magic in HP is evil, then so is the magic in Narnia, Lord of the Rings, Cinderella, and the Wizard of Oz.

[CSLewisFan]

Any Christian/Harry issues can be taken here (http://www.narniafans.com/forum/showthread.php?t=606).

-Austin

[Machiathemarshwiggle]

To change the subject, If you had a chance to play and character in one of the Harry Potter movies who would it be? I would like to play young Sirius Black or maybe even young Tom Riddle.

[inkspot]

The poison pen lady, the reporter who could animorph herself into a bug!
Or else the divination teacher. Both those roles offer great possibilities and, I imagine, great costuming!

[dazzascfc]

To change the subject, If you had a chance to play and character in one of the Harry Potter movies who would it be? I would like to play young Sirius Black or maybe even young Tom Riddle.
Any of the Quidditch players, i would love to play that game!!

[inkspot]

Oh, good call, that would be fun.

Sorry, when I said poison pen lady, I didn't mean that awful Dolores with her magic torture pen, I meant the reporter with the Quick Quotes Quill or whatever that would write the story before she actually investigates it ... I can't remember her name.

[dazzascfc]

Oh, good call, that would be fun.

Sorry, when I said poison pen lady, I didn't mean that awful Dolores with her magic torture pen, I meant the reporter with the Quick Quotes Quill or whatever that would write the story before she actually investigates it ... I can't remember her name.
Yep, I knew who you meant... Rita Skeeter :p

[inkspot]

Yep, I knew who you meant... Rita Skeeter :p
Yes, thank you! I couldn't remember it!

[CSLewisFan]

Does anybody know any dates for the next movie or the last book?

I heard 07/07/07 for the last book, but I can't remember where.

-Austin

[Aeradaan]

7/7/7 is just a rumor, a popular one. I'm not sure it'll happen though--7/7/07 will also be the second anniversery of the July 7th London attacks.

[inkspot]

That would also be sweet as seven is seen as the biblical number of perfection.

[Black_Coffee]

About that choosing a character to play thingy, I would love to play Snape. It's always feaking weird and interesting when you play "the bad guy" (Although I don't think he's bad, he's just kinda ... grumpy? :) ).

[CSLewisFan]

About that choosing a character to play thingy, I would love to play Snape. It's always feaking weird and interesting when you play "the bad guy" (Although I don't think he's bad, he's just kinda ... grumpy? :) ).
Most people don't kill/cast unforgivable curses when they are grumpy ;)
However, I agree I don't think Snape is as bad as he appears.

-Austin

[Tweetsie]

Ooooh... choosing a character to play.. Hermione or Voldemort would be the most fun... Evil is fun to act.

[inkspot]

Ooooh... choosing a character to play.. Hermione or Voldemort would be the most fun... Evil is fun to act.
LOL, that Hermione is plenty evil!

[Tweetsie]

LOL, that Hermione is plenty evil!
I know.. under all that bushy hair... she has a black heart... :p

[inkspot]

I know.. under all that bushy hair... she has a black heart... :p
LOL!

10thingy

[Tweetsie]

Well.. I'm big on Harry Potter... I'm a member of the CoS forums and I used to post theories and everything... 46% obsessed and proud.

[dazzascfc]

Does anybody know any dates for the next movie or the last book?

I heard 07/07/07 for the last book, but I can't remember where.

-Austin
I have heard that JKR is looking to finish writing the book by the end of this year, so if the last book is anything to go by, then July 2007 sounds about right..

The filming for the next movie starts next month, it will be released summer 2007, so i would imagine end of May, beginning of June like the Prisoner of Azkaban release..

[SOS~]

She said that the last word in the series world be "scar".

[mrstumnus99]

Yay I can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CSLewisFan]

She said that the last word in the series world be "scar".

She also said, it might be changed.

-Austin

[Edwina_Scissorfingers]

Sheesh! Like the last word of book 7 is going to be "scar"? Wow. She is sure looking pretty far ahead.

[Machiathemarshwiggle]

I also think that she said that she'd already written the last chapter but it needed revision.

[CSLewisFan]

I also think that she said that she'd already written the last chapter but it needed revision.

When she was working on the first and second book she wrote the last chapter to help her focus.

-Austin

[Edwina_Scissorfingers]

Well, that makes sense. She kinda needs all the help focusing she can get...there's quite a difference between the first few books and the last few.

[Twilightdryadhobbit]

Ooh, can we still speculate about which character we'd like to play in the movies? I would love to play Tonks, just because she's cool, and she likes Lupin (And who can blame her? He's so sweet!). I also think Luna would be fun to play, but since I'm 18, a brunette, and don't have a hint of british accent, I seriously doubt that I'll be considered for either role. But a girl can dream....

P.S. In the whole discussion about whether Harry Potter leads to the occult, they didn't say the obvious thing that the magic in Harry Potter does NOT involve calling any evil spirits that would be involved in the real evil occult. The magic in the books has nothing to do with any evil spirits at all. The magic comes off as more a science fiction what-if people had mind powers, than a traditional fantasy.

[Loony]

I went to the open Luna Lovegood audits!
I didn't get through, but it was a good experience!
I love Luna! (note the name!)

~Manda

[Saruman]

P.S. In the whole discussion about whether Harry Potter leads to the occult, they didn't say the obvious thing that the magic in Harry Potter does NOT involve calling any evil spirits that would be involved in the real evil occult. The magic in the books has nothing to do with any evil spirits at all. The magic comes off as more a science fiction what-if people had mind powers, than a traditional fantasy.

Very quickly here, if I may ask you: what, then, is Voldemort? Unless I'm mistaken, isn't he the so-called nameless one of certain pagan circles? Also there comes the mention of other certain entites, such as "Azkaban", "Circe", "Draco", "Erised", "Hermes", and "Slytherin," all of which are names of devils or demons popular in circles (no pun intended here) of witchcraft.

Speaking only for myself and not for any of my brethren in Christ here on this forum, I will not read Harry Potter. If the Word of God commands me to avoid all appearance of evil, then I believe it is better for me to stay away from something that explicitly concerns itself with "Witchcraft and Wizardry."

[Loony]

Sorry this is random and has nothing to do with anything basically but hehehe love the Count Dooku icon and signature :D
I love star wars lol!

Now you can get back to your debate which i'm not going to involve myself in as i get passionate when i do things like that.

~Manda

[tgraveline]

I'm just curious as to what people think how the book will end. Second of all though Curumo, and whoever else is in the debate, its fine to debate, but seriously its not going to change anyones opinion. In all the years that i've been on forums, not once have I seen that. Second of all, JKR is a Christian. I can find you the source if you wish. I'm not going to tell you to read them and what not, but as a Christian myself and a fan of the books, its insulting to me to have someone claim to have a better understanding of what is going on in the books when they have not read the books and whatnot. It makes zero sense.

tg

[Loony]

I totally agree with you there!
Hmm...I rekon that Harry might die to be honest....
What do you think will happen?

~Manda

P.S WHOOP star wars :D lol

[tgraveline]

Just another thing and this is not to demean you, but the names Draco and this wasn't in your list, but Regelus or however you spell that guy in the Black family are the names of stars and constellations, and astronomy is a large part of the books as well. So thats just another thing to think about when it comes to the names. I myself have been up on a few names of demons and stuff myself, and have not come across those myself. I do not profess to know all though of course. Another problem with this is that these are not considered good things or groups or people within the books. Just a thought.

tg

[dazzascfc]

If the Word of God commands me to avoid all appearance of evil, then I believe it is better for me to stay away from something that explicitly concerns itself with "Witchcraft and Wizardry."
Yet you have a picture of an evil witch in your signature :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

If you are not even going to read the books for a ridiculous close minded reason like that then as far as im cocerned you are not even entitled to an opinion, you shouldnt judge it if you havent read it.

[devils_advocate_for_evil]

hey guys free country, with freedom of speech and freedom of reading (lol)...i made that one up! teehee

[Saruman]

Just another thing and this is not to demean you, but the names Draco and this wasn't in your list, but Regelus or however you spell that guy in the Black family are the names of stars and constellations, and astronomy is a large part of the books as well. So thats just another thing to think about when it comes to the names. I myself have been up on a few names of demons and stuff myself, and have not come across those myself. I do not profess to know all though of course. Another problem with this is that these are not considered good things or groups or people within the books. Just a thought.

Firstly, I appreciate your kinder response to my thoughts. The original intent of my writing in the first place was in response to Thedryadhobbit, who claimed Harry Potter had nothing to do with occultism, when, in fact, it presents many thoughts and concepts that directly deal with the occult (and, for the record, there is plenty of information outside of the books that explains the story in a rather large nutshell). I will address why I believe this is so critical. And concerning astronomy, this is indeed another matter to take into account alongside topics evoking occultism.

I have read on this forum that JKR has made a statement, telling her fans that if she told them what she believed (spiritually), she might make the direction the books were headed a little too "obvious." Being a Christian, wouldn't she want to explain the full intents and direction of the message? Then again, why the "Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry"?

Speaking on a spiritual aspect concerning the books: the base of my arguments against HP has primarily been the concern of aiming these books at younger audiences...I don't think they would necessarily be looking for Christ or the Gospel in the books, when another issue (chiefly witchcraft and wizardry) is a more prevalent topic in the stories. Regardless of the fiction, they influence millions. What we choose to read certainly has a profound effect on us, whether children or adults. If not, we wouldn't be gathering here at the very diverse NarniaFans forum to discuss our love for Narnia. This applies to HP.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that the author is a good-hearted, wonderful born-again Christian. Why write fantasy (or science fiction, whatever) with witchcraft, wizardry, spell-casting, and the like, at its root? I wouldn't be writing against it if I found that it was sending me a good message, fiction or not.

Tg, I would love to see what you found concerning JKR's testimony for Christ.

Yet you have a picture of an evil witch in your signature

If you are not even going to read the books for a ridiculous close minded reason like that then as far as im cocerned you are not even entitled to an opinion, you shouldnt judge it if you havent read it.

I like certain "bad guys" as much as I like certain "good guys," not because I desire to appear evil or do as they do, but because they are interesting and add flavor to the stories. My personal feeling: I'm glad the witch got her just desserts!

What I don't do, however, is parade about with Saruman, Count Dooku, Emperor Palpatine, et al, as the influences to my decisions and my actions in real life, and I certainly don't adhere to their values or their standards. Therefore, to tell me that what I choose to place in my signature is an example of personal hypocrisy on my part is a mistake.

Once more I state that I do not condemn anyone who reads or enjoys HP, for that would indeed be amiss. I merely question the whole intent and purpose behind the world of HP, and why something that has had such a profound influence throughout the world could be enjoyable to Christians, when the brunt of the works deals with such sensitive real-life issues. I never argued that it wasn't fiction, but I know a good story (of course as a matter of opinion per person) certainly has influence...so what's it all about and why so likeable? What sorts of impressions does HP make?

[Loony]

You know, They're only books!
If you don't like them you can't say to everyone else that they shouldn't like them either, cos that won't happen.
Whoop whoop whoop my icon is Anakin now!
Ahem, back to subject! lol

~Manda

[inkspot]

Curumo said a bunch of times that he is not telling others not to read the books -- just explaining how he feels. That's what the forum is for, anyway, so everyone can express their opinion.

[Loony]

Ok, well I never saw him saying that, I apologise.
Though I am rather one to believe if you have nothing nice to say don't say anything at all...

~Manda

[CSLewisFan]

I added a poll to see what you all thought.

-Austin

[Loony]

I said he's good, cos I totally believe he is, I won't go into my reasoning as I truly can't be bothered!
Takes so long to type lol!

~Manda

[inkspot]

Snape is good! I love Snape, and I am sure he is just undercover with the Death Eaters. Hurray for Snape!
Ok, well I never saw him saying that, I apologise. Oh, to be fair, he might have said it in a different thread. I have seen Curumo post in different threads about HP, and he usually says he is not telling anyone else not to read them, but that he thinks they are evil.

[Loony]

Evil?
Ok that is taking it a wee bit too far if you ask me!
Yep I think ole Snapey is good too!
He's so class in the movies lol!

~Manda

[inkspot]

I agree, I don't think the books are evil -- I think Curumo thinks so.
Yah, love Snape, in the books and the films. So dark and disturbed. I can't wait to see who they case as Luna, too, but I hope they give her a good part. In the movies it seems like only the three main characters really get much play.

[peterluvr4evr89]

snape is an evil little git a dunderhead and if i might add an IDIOTIC MEDIOCOR BUCKETHEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

[inkspot]

snape is an evil little git a dunderhead and if i might add an IDIOTIC MEDIOCOR BUCKETHEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
Nooooo! You have it all wrong! He didn't want to do what it appears he did, and if you think about it, when they overheard him arguing with Dumbledore, it could have been exactly because he didn't want to do what Dumbledore was asking him to do. Dumbledore trusted him, and the rest of us should trust him, too! Snape is good, and it just looks like he is bad now, but appearances can be deceiving.

[Loony]

I agree, I don't think the books are evil -- I think Curumo thinks so.
Yah, love Snape, in the books and the films. So dark and disturbed. I can't wait to see who they case as Luna, too, but I hope they give her a good part. In the movies it seems like only the three main characters really get much play.
Me too I love Luna!!
I went to the open auditions actually, but it was over so fast, i had a great time though!
I agree with you 'bout Snape!!

Yeah, me, my mum and my brother had a little 'family discussion' about the book when we'd all finished!
I agree, I don't think Dumbledore would have begged. I believe Dumbledore had known this would happen, and was asking snape to go through with it.

I've been convinced Snape did it for a good reason.
Also Dumbledore totally trusts Snape and he must have a good reason.

I also think that, when Dumbledore gives Snape position of DADA teacher, he knew what would happen.
He even says in the book that ever since Voldemort couldn't get the job no-one has lasted longer than a year.

Thats what i think anyway......
hehe ok I'm done now! ^_^

I removed any spoilers!

~Manda

[tgraveline]

Hey Curumo,

well heres your link http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/01/10/nrowl110.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/01/10/ixnewstop.html Its the last paragraph and What she says, from what I understand, is that she is seeking God and her faith. I don't think she sees herself as knowing it all.

PS You made a comment about why would she want to not say what her beliefs were and stuff because it would give away the story, well its quite simple, You don't want to give away your story by something like that. I don't care what religion or whatever, if you know it it gives away everything if its a predominate faith. As a writer myself, I try very hard to write my book so its not blatantly obvious that I'm a christian, but more that I have an understanding of it and create a fictional story that tells its values, ie. humility, loyalty, etc. So I can understand why she says that from that point of view. She also said once that You don't talk about what you are going to do with your story, because then it becomes stale with each telling and when you finally write it, the idea and the original excitement you had isn't there and the writing isn't as good and there the story begins to fall. So she doesn't want to keep the children excited and older people such as myself.

Just a few things from a writers point of few for you.

tg

[dazzascfc]

Once more I state that I do not condemn anyone who reads or enjoys HP, for that would indeed be amiss. I merely question the whole intent and purpose behind the world of HP, and why something that has had such a profound influence throughout the world could be enjoyable to Christians, when the brunt of the works deals with such sensitive real-life issues. I never argued that it wasn't fiction, but I know a good story (of course as a matter of opinion per person) certainly has influence...so what's it all about and why so likeable? What sorts of impressions does HP make?
You have completely and utterly ignored what i said....

You are continually critcizing something without knowing what it is about, you say that you havent read the books and wont read the books and that to me just shows how close minded you are.

If you have read the books and still hold that opinion then fair enough, its your opinion, but you shouldnt judge a book and accuse it of being 'evil' when you havent even bothered to read it yourself first.

If you read the books, you might actually realise that there is A LOT of good in them, there is a lot about freindship and love, its not only about magic.

[Loony]

*applause*
That was very well said dazzascfc.
I agree with you completely.

~Manda

[inkspot]

Another reason JKR might not want to come out and state that she is writing Christian fiction upfront ... the media hates it! You know, right before LWW came out on the big screen, some big newspapers had terrible stories in them about CS Lewis, making out that his caring for a friend's disabled mum in her old age was some kind of sex perversion, and they got ol' Bill Pullman to come out and accuse the whole CON and Lewis of being death-lovers and I don't know what else. Maybe JKR would rather have the work speak for itself than have that kind of attack on it.

I don't know if book seven will reveal a picture of Christian themes, but I honestly think there is a good chance that it will, that Harry may lay down his life in defense of his friends. As it stands, I can already see a lot of Christian symbolism in the books. Curumo, I know you think it can't be Christian because of the magic/latin/spells/etc. which must be condemned in the Bible. But are they condemned in a fantasy world? Lewis has Bacchus singing "Euan Euan oi!" or whatever that pagan business is all over PC, and no one accuses his work of being inherently evil. (At least, no credible critics do.) HP is a fantasy world, and the magic is fantasy magic. Yes, there are pagan elements, such as the nameless one you mentioned, Curumo (He Who Must Not Be Named in HP world), but Lewis used pagan elements, too, and his works are still inherently Christian. It's make-believe. I think.

Of course, anyone offended by any magic shouldn't read them.

[Twilightdryadhobbit]

Speaking only for myself and not for any of my brethren in Christ here on this forum, I will not read Harry Potter. If the Word of God commands me to avoid all appearance of evil, then I believe it is better for me to stay away from something that explicitly concerns itself with "Witchcraft and Wizardry."

I understand you convictions Curumo, and I, and the rest of the people on my side of the issue could bring up loads of evidence to support our positions, and I'm sure you would as well. But looking at the big picture, I believe whether or not we think Harry Potter is good is a silly thing to fight about among Christians. We all agree that the occult is bad. If you believe that reading those books will cause others to sin, and you have gotten that conviction from spending lots of time in prayer with God and asking his opinion for your life, then there is nothing to be said about it. You are totally right to follow where you believe Jesus is leading you. However, I would ask you in love, to consider that not everyone has the same conviction about that as you have. It does not mean that we are worse Christians, or that we don't have as good relationships with Jesus. I consider it a matter of Christian freedom, and if God convicts me that I am causing someone to sin, I will not continue to read them, or any other book that he tells me I shouldn't. If you want my biblical backing for this belief (Wow, that was alliterative!) I would point to 1st Corinthians 10. I hope you can understand my convictions in this way. Thanks.

[Gryphon]

This whole thing is just silly. You still debate meaningless things when the youth of the world is still out there dying. I used to read Harry Potter. USED to. I struggled with it alot and not because it had anything to do with witchcraft. The whole point of fantasy is to transport yourself to another world. When that world is filled with things that are against God it isnt safe. I "went" to Hogwarts and "did" witchcraft. It wasnt safe anymore. In addition to that, is the entertainment really worth the grief other Christians give you? I no longer read it. It has gotten way too dark and anyway, why should we as Christians play with fire?

[tgraveline]

Well to be quite honest, because we don't feel that this is fire. What this has to do with youth dying I'm not sure, probably just to make the point that this is useless, but thats fine. But to be quite honest, instead of stomping on the fire, you only fueled it for now I had to answer. What you said though, sounds like you got too into the books and the magic, which can be dangerous with anything in the world. Take being a father of a son in sports, how many of them have become too enthralled and killed other fathers at a youth sporting event. Its sad when people take things that far for sure. But I respect your opinion because you did read them.

tg

[Gryphon]

Its not hard to get swept up away into those novels. There were lots of people who cried over Cedric or Sirius or Dumbledore and they arent even real. The fire i mentioned is witchcraft, sorry, i should have specified and i think this has debated too much and isnt this off subject anyway?

[Twilightdryadhobbit]

The whole point of fantasy is to transport yourself to another world. When that world is filled with things that are against God it isnt safe. I "went" to Hogwarts and "did" witchcraft. It wasnt safe anymore. In addition to that, is the entertainment really worth the grief other Christians give you? I no longer read it. It has gotten way too dark and anyway, why should we as Christians play with fire?

I'm sorry if my other posts sounded rude or unfeeling toward the opposite viewpoints, it was not my intention to offend, I enjoy discussing things on which I do not agree with people, just so I can continue to think about my convictions. I did not wish to offend anyone. My point was that I believe that we as Christians shouldn't be giving each other grief about this since it is a matter of personal convictions.

On a different and less volatile subject, does anybody have theories about what will happen to Draco in book seven? He had some fascinating things happen to him in book six, and he skated on the edge of redemption before Dumbledore died. Will he stay with the death eaters, or will he come back to the Order of the Pheonix, remembering Dumbledore's mercy to him? I would be interested in anybody's ideas on the subject.

[tgraveline]

I'm not sure. He may be a redeming character. I would like to see that, but then again, I wouldn't. Just because i've never liked him, ha ha. It will be quite interesting to get book 7.

Question, does anyone think that she will write more books after books 7 within the harry potter world?

tg

[inkspot]

I think Draco will be redeemed, one reason I think Dumbledore may have asked Snape to do what he did was so that Draco wouldn't.

I don't think really JKR will write seven more books on HP, unless she can't tie up all the loose ends in book 7 and starts and adult series to carry on the tradition! Gag, that would be terribe.

Its not hard to get swept up away into those novels. There were lots of people who cried over Cedric or Sirius or Dumbledore and they arent even real.
I am curious if you think this is a bad thing? Really good literature evokes emotions.

[tgraveline]

I cried during a starwars book series, so be quiet! ha ha I'm such a dork. I look hot, but still a dork.

tg

[inkspot]

I cried during a starwars book series, so be quiet! ha ha I'm such a dork. I look hot, but still a dork.

tg
LOL! Yah, Star Wars novels always make people cry. Whatever you do, don't read any of the X-Men graphic novels, you'll be weeping aloud.

[Gryphon]

I am curious if you think this is a bad thing? Really good literature evokes emotions.

i dont think that its bad to get attached to a character or even a place. Thats the whole point of fantasy, like i said. However, your mind is transported to a world and you go an adventure. You need to be careful on what kind of adventures you put your mind through. It's not even that i took it too seriously, i knew several people who took it more seriously than i did, one of my friends had a shirt that said "RIP Sirius Black." :rolleyes: the main reason why i stopped reading it is because i didnt think that the entertainment was worth the torture my friends were giving me.

[inkspot]

Ah well, if your friends were torturing you ... some friends!

[Gryphon]

They only did it because they care about me. :D

[inkspot]

They only did it because they care about me. :D
Of course. I certainly wouldn't torture my friend unless I cared about her ...
This is kind of what we've been discussing -- Curumo clearly thinks the HP books are evil, but he also always says "I am not condemning anyone who reads them," which I think is a good attitude. He explains what he sees as the dangers, but doesn't go around saying to STOP reading them. This seems to me an area such as the Apostle Paul was describing when he said in Romans 14:1-10 ...
Welcome all the Lord's followers, even those whose faith is weak. Don't criticize them for having beliefs that are different from yours. Some think it is all right to eat anything, while those whose faith is weak will eat only vegetables. But you should not criticize others for eating or for not eating. After all, God welcomes everyone. What right do you have to criticize someone else's servants? Only their Lord can decide if they are doing right, and the Lord will make sure that they do right. Some of the Lord's followers think one day is more important than another. Others think all days are the same. But each of you should make up your own mind. Any followers who count one day more important than another day do it to honor their Lord. And any followers who eat meat give thanks to God, just like the ones who don't eat meat. Whether we live or die, it must be for God, rather than for ourselves. Whether we live or die, it must be for the Lord. Alive or dead, we still belong to the Lord. This is because Christ died and rose to life, so that he would be the Lord of the dead and of the living. Why do you criticize other followers of the Lord? Why do you look down on them? The day is coming when God will judge all of us.

Some of us think Harry Potter is evil, so we shouldn't read it, and nobody should look down on us for not reading it. Some of us think it is good fantasy, and so we may read it, and no one should look down on us for reading it ... I think your friends, although convinced they were right to bully you, were really demonstrating the weakness of their own faith by brow-beating you.

[tgraveline]

well put my dear old lady, ha ha.

tg

[Loony]

Guess what! This is random but look! Luna Lovegood has been chosen!
Look here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/newsid_4670000/newsid_4672700/4672798.stm

~Manda

[inkspot]

Guess what! This is random but look! Luna Lovegood has been chosen!
Look here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/newsid_4670000/newsid_4672700/4672798.stm

~Manda
Wow! i think she looks great for Luna! I hope they make her character as quirky/charming as she is in the books. She looks like she could do a good job with it.

well put my dear old lady, ha ha.
At least say "old girl" -- with a British accent!

[Twilightdryadhobbit]

Yeah, on the site www.MuggleNet.com they have who they've cast for Luna, Tonks, Bellatrix, Umbridge, Mrs. Figg and Magorian! I'm sad that they didn't pick me for Tonks, ;) but I'm sure the actress they did pick will do ok. I wish somebody had a good picture of her though. Her name is Natalia Tena, so if anybody finds just a regular picture of her somewhere, I'd like to see it. If any of you haven't visisted Mugglenet before you really need to. It is an awesome site. I got the address to send away for my Dan Radcliffe autograph off that site, and I got the autograph today! I love Mugglenet.

[inkspot]

Tonk's picture is tiny on mugglenet, I can't tell anything about her, and the Natalia link didn't have a photo on first glance. Thanks for the link, dryadhobbit.

[Loony]

I think the girl is OK for Luna, but not how I imagined her.
Luna is my fav character, maybe I'm just picky but for me she isn't Luna-ish enough....She just looks so oridanary.

~Manda

[inkspot]

I think the girl is OK for Luna, but not how I imagined her.
Luna is my fav character, maybe I'm just picky but for me she isn't Luna-ish enough....She just looks so oridanary.

~Manda
I think she looks kind of ordinary, and kind of pretty, how I imagine Luna. I like her paleness, and I think when they put her in some crazy costumes (that lion hat!) she will be a good Luna. That's what I think. I hope so!

[tgraveline]

Remember, none of the pictures display them in costume and makeup. Thats where its all going to look more as they have in mind. I'm not sure what I think of them all, but I know the one for umbridge has been in the runnings for some time and other pictures made her look better to me. What I am curious about though is tonks, I'm not sure what I think of her just yet.

tg

PS I'm not british lassy

[Gryphon]

I think your friends, although convinced they were right to bully you, were really demonstrating the weakness of their own faith by brow-beating you.
Meh, they didnt really say much, but i could tell they were upset with me, and it was just... well i didnt like it, they still like me and stuff but i hated the way they got depressed when i said i read em. Of course each acted in a diffrent way but yeah...

[*moseley*princess*]

Yeah, on the site www.MuggleNet.com they have who they've cast for Luna, Tonks, Bellatrix, Umbridge, Mrs. Figg and Magorian! I'm sad that they didn't pick me for Tonks, ;) but I'm sure the actress they did pick will do ok. I wish somebody had a good picture of her though. Her name is Natalia Tena, so if anybody finds just a regular picture of her somewhere, I'd like to see it. If any of you haven't visisted Mugglenet before you really need to. It is an awesome site. I got the address to send away for my Dan Radcliffe autograph off that site, and I got the autograph today! I love Mugglenet.
I love Mugglenet, my fave site besides Narniafans!

[mrstumnus99]

Yeah, on the site www.MuggleNet.com they have who they've cast for Luna, Tonks, Bellatrix, Umbridge, Mrs. Figg and Magorian! I'm sad that they didn't pick me for Tonks, ;) but I'm sure the actress they did pick will do ok. I wish somebody had a good picture of her though. Her name is Natalia Tena, so if anybody finds just a regular picture of her somewhere, I'd like to see it. If any of you haven't visisted Mugglenet before you really need to. It is an awesome site. I got the address to send away for my Dan Radcliffe autograph off that site, and I got the autograph today! I love Mugglenet.

I love that site!!!!
These are my thoughts on the casting
Luna-Her blonde hair is too Dracoish but other than that she looks pretty good as Luna

Tonks- She's totally not how I pictured her but whatever I'm sure the movie will still be good.

Umbridge-I love her as Umbridge!! She's perfect!

Bellatrix-looks pretty good

Kingsley- I pictured him more tough looking but oh well.

I can't wait for OOTP because I have pictured it so much in my head that it's exciting waiting for it.

[Loony]

Ok I'll givbe my opinions too :p

Luna- SO not how I saw Luna, hair too light and Draco-ish, also her eyes aren't pertuberant and silvery, and she hasn't got pale eyebrows. She has quite a dreamy look, so hopefully she'll play my fav character well! and do us proud!

Tonks- SOO not how I saw Tonks but maybe with the pink hair and Weird Sisters T-shirt she'll be great :)

Umbridge-PERFECT!

Bellatrix-Very good from what I can see.

Kingsley- Rather good, I think he'll be fab.


~Manda

[Giselle the Ethereal]

Yeah, on the site www.MuggleNet.com they have who they've cast for Luna, Tonks, Bellatrix, Umbridge, Mrs. Figg and Magorian! I'm sad that they didn't pick me for Tonks, ;) but I'm sure the actress they did pick will do ok. I wish somebody had a good picture of her though. Her name is Natalia Tena, so if anybody finds just a regular picture of her somewhere, I'd like to see it. If any of you haven't visisted Mugglenet before you really need to. It is an awesome site. I got the address to send away for my Dan Radcliffe autograph off that site, and I got the autograph today! I love Mugglenet.

I often visit that site, too!

I might as well give my opinions:

Luna Lovegood - not what I imagined. Evanna Lynch looks a little bratty to me. And yeah, her hair is too Draco-ish.

Nymphadora Tonks - Is it just me or does Natalya Tena look a little wee bit like Clemence Poesy from afar? Maybe not. I still can't imagine her being Tonks but maybe just like David Thewlis, she'll prove me wrong.

Dolores Umbrige - looks soooo toadlike. Haha

Bellatrix Lestrange - doesn't look evil, dangerous and deadly to me.

Kingsley Shackbolt - No comment. :D

[SapphireOfSeptember]

evanna lynch
girl who plays luna lovegood

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c387/picture_save/lunalovegood_lynch.jpg

[Loony]

*sigh*
she just aint my Luna :(
This is a pic of how I drew her:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a314/LunaLookalike/Drawings/LunaColoured.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a314/LunaLookalike/Drawings/LunaSketch.jpg

That's how I saw Luna.
A friend of mine who runs a forum on Luna Lovegood looks SO like Luna!
I made this banner of her before Evanna was chosen:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a314/LunaLookalike/Drawings/572a0bae.jpg


~Manda

[inkspot]

That's a great drawing! I think they can make up the girl they chose to look very similar.

[Loony]

I hope so....
I still think the girl who I made a banner for looks more like Luna!
Thanks I'm quite proud of that pic :)
I feel like I'm being mean but Evanna doesn't have that....Luna spark....
I need to see her acting but i'm a lil' disappointed. Part of me loves her and part of me is disappointed.

~Manda

[Queen Lucy the Valiant]

That pic is awesome thats more like luna.
Evanna kinda looks like what i thought luna would look like.
I don't think Helen McCrory really looks like Bellatrix, she hasn't got that evil glare on her!
Imelda Staunton looks like Umbridge!

[devils_advocate_for_evil]

how can anyone think that SNape is really good?!??!? he KILLED DUMBLEDORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!

[SOS~]

Well, she's pretty.I hope she acts good.

[tgraveline]

Its hard devil's advocate. Some like myself think it possible that dumbledore made a horcrux, but who knows. There are so many different theories on it.

LUNA LOVEGOOD-- I think this is definantly something to wait on, a picture is worth a thousand words but a video is worth a million times more than that. Then you get their aura.

tg

[~Rogue~]

Hmm I always imagines Luna's hair to be kinda like bluey grey browny, I cant really describe it and slighty more crazy looking. She does look a like she could be Draco's little sister, but Hey! They can do wonders in hair and make up these days.

[Twilightdryadhobbit]

Its hard devil's advocate. Some like myself think it possible that dumbledore made a horcrux, but who knows. There are so many different theories on it.

tg


Wow. I would really like to hear that theory, seriously, I've never heard it before. At first thought, I would think it would contradict pretty much everything Dumbledore believes in to make a horcrux, wouldn't it? I mean, that "After all, death to the well organized mind is but the next great adventure," quote, and his obvious belief that life is precious, would seem to preclude the possiblity of his doing an obvious act of evil to make himself immortal. I suppose it would have been done accidentally, or maybe before he really knew what it was about or something? I don't think I'm getting the gist of this theory very well. Discussion anyone?

Oh, and here are my prelimenary thoughts about the casting:

Luna Lovegood - She does have big eyes, and looks ok for Luna. I always imagined her as very thin though. I have a very short, very thin, very blond friend who reminds me of Luna. But she's only 11. Not the right age.

Nymphadora Tonks - Eh, I've seen a pretty good picture of her, but I'm not sure where it is. She'll probably be ok. One person on Mugglenet said he had seen her in About a boy, and she had a very Tonks like role, and was very good at it. Once I see a decent close up of her where she is smiling, my fears will be totally allayed.

Dolores Umbrige - Absolutely PERFECT! If you ever want proof, watch Sense and Sensibility, she has such an annoying, perfectly Umbridge like role. I looove it.

Bellatrix Lestrange - She looks pretty pinched and evil to me.

Kingsley Shackbolt - He's fine. I've only seen him in Raiders of the lost ark, but he was pretty good then. He'll look fine, but I hope he has a cool accent.

[tgraveline]

I know what you mean, its just a thought a few of my friends and I had. We wondered this, mainly because thats why he would allow snape to kill him. Who knows though. Its not a very well known idea, but its possible, because I don't know if Harry can beat Voldemort. He isn't as good of a wizard and we know that. But, that might be why he would do such a thing so that harry wouldn't have to. Just like not wanting draco to be the one to kill him. It was just an idea we had.

tg

[sakura_shinguji]

I only read the book after I watch the first movie...and I fall in love with all the books. Its a very great and amazing story I've ever read. I love Hermione Granger coz she is so smart and intellegent. I imagine her in her bushy hair and of course she's not pretty at all! But Hermione in the movie is quite beautiful and extremely hot! Even sometimes she become so annoying and bossy but I really love it!

[Queen Lucy the Valiant]

I just wondering how anyone could think that Snape is good and just undercover!!!???
He murdered Dumbledore and was trying to help Draco all year in his task and he meet with Bella and Narcissa over the summer holidays!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Some people must be blind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (no offense to any one-im just saying....)

[Luvin_Will]

I know I mean seriously!!! How could he have killed him and still be on the good side!! Are you kidding me!!!! He is wat too bad to even be considered as a goodie!

[CSLewisFan]

I know I mean seriously!!! How could he have killed him and still be on the good side!! Are you kidding me!!!! He is wat too bad to even be considered as a goodie!

Some people think that Dumbledore instructed Snape to kill him.
To make Voldmort feel like there was no one else to oppose him.

-Austin

[UGOJ]

i LIKE hp and con because there r 2 beautiful girls in there. Emma Watson and Anna Popplewell. :D

[Loony]

Luna Lovegood - She does have big eyes, and looks ok for Luna. I always imagined her as very thin though. I have a very short, very thin, very blond friend who reminds me of Luna. But she's only 11. Not the right age.

She's not, she's 14, I suggest you look at Newsround.
I think she's OK, but not what I expected. We can only judge her on looks though at the moment so will wait to see her act first.
Her eyes aren't big enough, Luna's meant to have a permanently suprised look, that includes very pale eyebrows.

~Manda

[Twilightdryadhobbit]

She's not, she's 14, I suggest you look at Newsround.
~Manda

Sorry, my post was kind of confusing. I meant that my friend NOT the person cast as Luna is 11. The person cast as Luna looks like the correct age to me.

[Twilightdryadhobbit]

This is a better pic of Natalie Tena, the person playing Tonks, it's from the movie About a boy.
mischief-managed.org/owned/3_fl_ellie.jpg

[Fire_Phoenix]

Well, I think that the Harry Potter books are a little predictable, but they also have some major twists. But, I do have to agree that you know before you even start the book, whatever one it is, that Harry is going to be the center of attention and save the day from a deadly situtation. But you do have to admit that they are very interesting.


But do you realize that there are actual cults out there that are based purely on the Harry Potter books? I mean, they're good books, but who is dumb enough to believe them? I watched an entire show on "the evils of Harry Potter", but the "spells" in it are only simple things like, turn on the light, in Latin.

[Loony]

Yeah I loove Harry Potter!
Evanna is sorta growing on me I think :D
Every time I see her I like her a lil' more :)
She's very pretty, not necassarily Luna-ish, but I can see why she was chosen :)

~Manda

[tgraveline]

yep yep, Yeah, i'm not sure what I'm thinking about the luna girl. I think she will be a performer, thats just the idea i'm getting right now that she will have a mysteriousness about her that is needed. She is already working it on people with that picture

[Loony]

Yeah that's true.
Hey I made a fan-forum for her!
Here's the URL if you want to join:
http://evannalynch.proboards55.com/index.cgi?

~Manda

[onlymystory]

i think that at least by looks evanna lynch seems a good choice. i always thought that luna wasn't plain or ugly she was just very odd. people were turned off by her because of her mannerisms and attitudes. as long as evanna can pull off the complete randomness of luna she should be perfect.

[oceanborn]

i actually thought luna is cute
but i don't really like evanna.she just doesn't look like luna.oh well.i'll get used to her.

[White Wolf]

I know I'm just kinda wading into the thead here but...

The ending when Harry was talking about looking for the horcruxes (sp?) Ron and Heromine vowed they go with him.

Its a pivotal moment for me...., I hope its just the three of them, getting in all sorts of trouble and help along the way...

How do you think book 7 will play out? I can't imagine Hogwarts being the same after Dumbledore... :(

That, I want Harry, Ron, and Heromine to disappear or go out in a stunning blaze of glory. :) I mean, look at what they did thus far...

[Loony]

Oh I hope all three don't die :(
I heard ideas that the seventh Horcrux might be something like Harry's scar.
I have no idea lol!
I read these and these theories are very interesting:
http://garlandgraves.livejournal.com/3409.html

~Manda

[Tweetsie]

No offense to those people, but IT'S NOT HIS SCAR. :eek: OMG. Really, the last horcrux he has to kill is Voldie himself, and if he kills himself, how's he going to kill Voldie?! Sheesh... :rolleyes: But I think he'll die anyway. And if he doesnt.' it's just... not tragic enough for me. I think Ginny might sneak along with them or something... maybe..

[mrstumnus99]

I have a love/hate realationship with harry dying. I'm just excited to find out what happens and even if i hate it I'll still like the series. Which book is everyone's favorite? Mine is GOF

[redsoxfreak01]

J.K. Rowling will probably introduce us to many new magical powers in book 7, and I think that the vail from book 5 (in the Ministry of Magic) will be important in the next book.
I wonder if Harry will be a horcrux - maybe the horcrux will be somebody else that Harry cares about that he will have to kill.
I wonder if Harry's parents will come back as Inferi (is that what those dead bodies used to do Voldy's work are called?).
I also wonder if the fact that Wormtail owes his life to Harry will play into this book. Dumbledore did say that Harry would be grateful for it later...

[CSLewisFan]

No offense to those people, but IT'S NOT HIS SCAR. :eek: OMG. Really, the last horcrux he has to kill is Voldie himself, and if he kills himself, how's he going to kill Voldie?! Sheesh... :rolleyes: But I think he'll die anyway. And if he doesnt.' it's just... not tragic enough for me. I think Ginny might sneak along with them or something... maybe..

He would obviously kill Voldmort then destroy himself.

I doubt this will be the case, though.

-Austin

[Loony]

J.K. Rowling will probably introduce us to many new magical powers in book 7, and I think that the vail from book 5 (in the Ministry of Magic) will be important in the next book.
I wonder if Harry will be a horcrux - maybe the horcrux will be somebody else that Harry cares about that he will have to kill.
I wonder if Harry's parents will come back as Inferi (is that what those dead bodies used to do Voldy's work are called?).
I also wonder if the fact that Wormtail owes his life to Harry will play into this book. Dumbledore did say that Harry would be grateful for it later...

Yeah I said Harry might be a horcrux last page.
I don't want him to die though!

Wormtail owes him a favour though so I think that will be a big part of it. Maybe wormtail will give his own life so Harry can survive?

~Manda

[tgraveline]

Interesting stuff, I forgot about the furies things. I really need to reread the books again, but I lost my goblet of fire one, that sucks. Have to reorder a british copy again, as all my others are british ones. I for some reason do not think that Harry will die. I think JK will want to portray a hopeful future instead of evil ruling. But someone very dear will, maybe neville. I doubt that though. Its really interesting to wonder.

tg

[Loony]

Aww poor Neville!
That'd be a shame!!
Hmm though that's a good theory.

~Manda

[tgraveline]

anyone disagree with my thoughts on harry not being killed?

tg

[angie_wade]

anyone disagree with my thoughts on harry not being killed?

tg
no no, i agree with ya. Harry Potter can't be killed (from my point of view), why would his parents be dead for nothing?

[inkspot]

I think Harry will kill Voldemort but also be killed in the process. So sad.

TG, why do you prefer the British editions?

[tgraveline]

Because thats where its originally published, and i like the covers more. Also, thats where i first bought them, while riding on the trains in europe.

tg

[Loony]

I hope he doesn't die.
Though i wouldn't be that suprised if he does get killed.

~Manda

[~Rogue~]

I think Neville is a good theory though. remember the prophecy said that it could have been Neville OR Harry that became Voldemorts equal? Hmm for now we can only speculate........

[Loony]

Yeah Neville is a clever idea.

~Manda

[Tweetsie]

I think Neville is a good theory though. remember the prophecy said that it could have been Neville OR Harry that became Voldemorts equal? Hmm for now we can only speculate........
But hasn't it been said many times that Voldemort chose Harry and marked him as his equal, and thus he was chosen and not Neville? :confused:

[tgraveline]

Yeah I know what you mean about that, but that also means that prophecies don't mean much. More that the end result may be the same, which could just mean the death of both, lol, or that can also mean that just one has to die, not both.

tg

[Tweetsie]

For some reaosn, I think Neville will not die. He's not very confident, and it's usually those characters who die. If he does die, then I won't be surprised though. I think Harry will die. JKR doesn't WANT to make the books dark, but Harry will probably die fighting Voldemort. Only problem is, I'm one of those die hard Chocolate (Harry/Ginny) shippers, and if he dies, she has to die too, and I don't want that. So.. maybe he won't die. :p Ron and Hermione won't die. I know that much. You can just TELL. Somebody ont he CoS forums said Fred and George might die. :( They're my favorite characters!!

[♥Green Eyed Goddess♥]

i am the bbbbbiiiiiigggggggeeeesssstttteeeeeessssttttteee3e eeessssttttt eeeessst harry potter fan ever who went top get the new book when it was realeased at midnight who is 10 and read the 5th harry p book that is 870 pgs in 5 days???

[Tweetsie]

i am the bbbbbiiiiiigggggggeeeesssstttteeeeeessssttttteee3e eeessssttttt eeeessst harry potter fan ever who went top get the new book when it was realeased at midnight who is 10 and read the 5th harry p book that is 870 pgs in 5 days???
I was eleven or younger when that came out. I was in front of the library at four in the morning; it opened at ten. I read it in a day. For the sixth book I read it in a day also, but it was on the way to Croatia.. so it was like an eight hour drive.. :rolleyes:

[♥Green Eyed Goddess♥]

I was eleven or younger when that came out. I was in front of the library at four in the morning; it opened at ten. I read it in a day. For the sixth book I read it in a day also, but it was on the way to Croatia.. so it was like an eight hour drive.. :rolleyes:
i read about 30 min a day cause i had guided reading books to read too so....... i read the sixth in a day too!! i think i was nine when i read the 5th but im not too sure.............................................. ..........................................

[Tweetsie]

I was in.... sixth grade... I think, so ten or a very young eleven.

[Loony]

I hope Harry doesn't die though *sniffle*
I read book 6 in a day too.
I remember everyone said I was a geek reading HP before they became popular mwah haha! It was so funny when they were all reading them too! I read them a year or so before they became big hits.

~Manda

[Tweetsie]

... I read the first one in second grade. My teachers were all 'proud' of me because I had only learned english a year before... *sigh* crazy peeps.

[tgraveline]

haha, i picked up book six in italy as i was traveling, and had already preordered it to be delivered to me at home, but couldn't wait for it, I was staying up after the pubcrawls reading it and people would come in the hostel and see me on the couch reading it and would be like, is that the new book! good times those days.

tg

PS i didn't get into the books for a long time beause i was so against them for i thought they were merely just children's books. now i'm a fan and must watch the movies when i feel my creative meter is low. I always get new ideas and just for a hint in my book, there will be something with socks, though not at all like dobby's ha ha.

[~Rogue~]

For some reaosn, I think Neville will not die. He's not very confident, and it's usually those characters who die. If he does die, then I won't be surprised though. I think Harry will die. JKR doesn't WANT to make the books dark, but Harry will probably die fighting Voldemort. Only problem is, I'm one of those die hard Chocolate (Harry/Ginny) shippers, and if he dies, she has to die too, and I don't want that. So.. maybe he won't die. :p Ron and Hermione won't die. I know that much. You can just TELL. Somebody ont he CoS forums said Fred and George might die. :( They're my favorite characters!!

I guess but c'mon was anyone really expecting Draco to try and kill Dumbledore and then for Snape to actually do it! I was like WHAT? He cant be dead!

[Tweetsie]

I guess but c'mon was anyone really expecting Draco to try and kill Dumbledore and then for Snape to actually do it! I was like WHAT? He cant be dead!
.. I was guessing that... but I just have good interpretation skills. Draco seemed stressed, Dumbledore seemed nervous, and Snape (even more) irritable. Something was definetly going on with all three..

[Loony]

Yeah, I guessed maybe something like that would happen.
Though that's not to say that when I actually read the words I wasn't shocked-of course I was.

~Manda

[AslanTheWiseOne]

I feel that Harry Potter is a great story for all ages.

[miss-moseley]

i agree... its for all ages.. also the books:D

[Loony]

I agree, they'll be classics in the future! Maybe I'll be reading them to my own kids-if I have any-one day!

~Manda

[arwen3]

I like harry potter but hermione is my fave!

[_thinking_of_my_William_]

I like harry potter but hermione is my fave!

I like the boys.

;)

Like Harry and Ron...

:rolleyes:

[Loony]

Me loves Luna Lovegood! She's just wesome!
Out of the trio I prob like Ron best...or Hermione....or Harry, I love them all :p
I love Sirius too..and Hagrid!

I hate Umbridge...and Voldy.

[Tweetsie]

Umbridge made me laugh and write a ridiculing story.. which I have lost btw, so don't ask for it. :rolleyes:

[tgraveline]

Umbridge was purely just an awful frustration and a work of genious on JKs part. I still hate the character for her ignorance and that really is quite effective. I think the lady that is doing it in the movie will be fine, but I always imagined her a bit more chubby.

tg

[~Rogue~]

But Imelda Staunton normally plays such cuddly loveable characters. I have no doubt in her acting ability though, it will be interesting if she can pull this character off.

[EveningStar]

Once there was a boy named Harold Eustace Potter, and he almost deserved it.... :D

[Tweetsie]

Once there was a boy named Harold Eustace Potter, and he almost deserved it.... :D
Chakal, your humor is sadly taking an effect on me.... :rolleyes:

[onlymystory]

i just want the movie to keep the scenes with umbridge and the twins. That was my favorite part of any book so far.

[tgraveline]

Ah yes, i've longed to see those scenes as well. I must say I'm a huge fan of those boys and love them like they were my own brothers, ha ha. Maybe I am, I have like 5% irish in me, even though the characters are British, which I have about the same in English as well. So being a mutt, theres a chance I'm related to them.

tg

[King_Peter's_true_lover]

I love HP because it takes me into another world that is magical and wonderful.

[AHorseNamedBree]

I wonder why can't you see... you're just not near enough like me...

Whoa, Fredster. Eisley is from my hometown. My best friend introduced me to them a couple of times when they were still "Moss Eisley." I can't believe how popular they are now!


I like HP because the plot makes you think; you learn and love and grow with the characters. Rowling makes them real by familiarization.

[CatMandoo]

Whoa, Fredster. Eisley is from my hometown. My best friend introduced me to them a couple of times when they were still "Moss Eisley." I can't believe how popular they are now!


I like HP because the plot makes you think; you learn and love and grow with the characters. Rowling makes them real by familiarization.


Bree! When did you get here? o_O I so missed something... I saw that someone's name was "AHorseNamedBree" and thus looked and HERE YOU ARE! *falls over* Hi! *waves*

[LucyTheValiant]

I love Harry Potter!!! People are atracted to it because the books are great, and so are the films. JK has a lot of imagination. Talking about Harry Potter, I know a few websites and forums. I'll give you the links:

Forum: http://www.cosforums.com

website: http://www.mugglenet.com

another website: http://fanfiction.mugglenet.com/

and another forum: http://s14.invisionfree.com/Kings_Cross/index.php?

Hope you like them!!!:)

[*Hawaii Beach Babe*]

I love Harry Potter!!! People are atracted to it because the books are great, and so are the films. JK has a lot of imagination. Talking about Harry Potter, I know a few websites and forums. I'll give you the links:

Forum: http://www.cosforums.com

website: http://www.mugglenet.com

another website: http://fanfiction.mugglenet.com/

and another forum: http://s14.invisionfree.com/Kings_Cross/index.php?

Hope you like them!!!:)
Ohh. Watch out for the Mods on the COS forums. When I was extremely addicted to HP, I signed up for that. They are Ok, but the Mods are scary.

[tgraveline]

They've always been nice to me, even the admins were nice to me when I talked to them. They have some great people, but due to the large amount of members, they can't be too personable, and have to be kind of like cops rather than safety supervisors or whatever.

tg

[rainNluv]

I copied and pasted this from a HP forum on MySpace (http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=messageboard.viewThread&entryID=13032883&categoryID=0&IsSticky=0&groupID=100000627&Mytoken=640C1B26-FC21-4719-BBAB5B52DEEF378D1958733218)

Okay. The original poster took the wrong idea from the interview with JK. There was an interview where she related some of the things to Hitler and Nazism, however, she didn't do it to "connect" Harry Potter to it. She did it to point out that that attitued of racism still exists in today's world. Think about it.

Hitler=Voldemort
A notorious leader is hated by the majority, but followed by a huge numbers.
Uses fear to control his followers
Hypocritical...Hitler was trying to rid the world of all people who weren't the "Great Race"--meaning Arian--blue eyes, blonde hair. But he himself had brown eyes and hair and was of Hebrew ancestry. Also, he killed many people because they were handicapped (following the survival of the fittest ideal), but his second in command had a peg leg. Voldemort thinks only pure-bloods should be allowed to practice magic or to live in general, but he himself is not a pureblood. Remember, his father was a Muggle.

Classism
Hitler's classes went something like this::
Hitler and crew
Nazis
Arians (civilians)
Mixed (some Arian ancestry)
Handicaps
Jews
Pardon the crudeness, this is just a quick, off the top of my head overview.
Voldemort's goes like this::
Voldemort and crew
Death Eaters
Purebloods
Mudbloods/Halfbloods (some wizard ancestry)
Squibs
Muggle-born
Muggles
On both accounts, however, party loyalty trumps blood lines...i.e. Voldy tries to talk Harry into joining his side even though Harry is technically a half-blood (his mother was a muggle-born. similar to the tracking of Jewish ancestry--to Hitler, if your mother's mother is a Jew, you are considered a Jew. This is for national identification, not religious.) Here's a quote from JK
The expressions 'pure-blood', 'half-blood' and 'Muggle-born' have been coined by people to whom these distinctions matter, and express their originators' prejudices. As far as somebody like Lucius Malfoy is concerned, for instance, a Muggle-born is as 'bad' as a Muggle. Therefore Harry would be considered only 'half' wizard, because of his mother's grandparents.

If you think this is far-fetched, look at some of the real charts the Nazis used to show what constituted 'Aryan' or 'Jewish' blood. I saw one in the Holocaust Museum in Washington when I had already devised the 'pure-blood', 'half-blood' and 'Muggle-born' definitions, and was chilled to see that the Nazis used precisely the same warped logic as the Death Eaters. A single Jewish grandparent 'polluted' the blood, according to their propaganda.

Nazi armies=Death Eaters
The Nazi army and the Death Eaters have so much in common. The way they are run, the way Voldy interacts with them, their purpose. They are meant to search for mudbloods and destroy them...the Nazi armies main objection was to search for non-Arians and destroy them. Also, initially, Hitler was seen as good...he was saving Germany from their paril that faced them after WWI...He was essentially their Napoleon. Here's a quote from Harry Potter::
"'They thought Voldemort had the right idea. They were all for the purification of the wizarding race, getting rid of Muggle-borns and having pure-bloods in charge. There were quite a few people, before Voldemort showed his true colours, who thought he had the right idea about things.'" -Sirius speaking of his family

Harry's scar
This one is a little harder to see, and is the only one not confirmed by JK. Some people have seen a connection between the lighting bolt and the swastika. More convincingly, it has been connected with the SS double bolts associated Nazi Youth Army. See the symbol here

Hitler's downfall
When Hitler was brought down from power, he was believed to have killed himself, but that may not be true. There are many supporters that believe he was banished, exiled, or ran away to an isolate island never to be seen again. In fact, there are some extremists who believe he could still be alive today. This is very similar to Voldemort's fall from power. After his confrontation with Potter, no one really knew what happened to him. Did he die? Run away? Escape with all his powers? Escape with none of his powers? Of course we find out later, but initially, it's unknown.

Remember, just because Rowling has shown symbolism of Nazism in her books doesn't mean that she supports them. In fact, her metaphors point out how wrong and disgusting Hitler and Nazism was and that the hatred which we all think is gone isn't. Many critics have applauded her on this sensitive issues, saying that educators can utilize her books as a way to teach about racism and it's fault while also teaching a way to get away from it.

__________________________________________________ _______________

By the way...

PLEASE IF YOU HAVE NOT READ THE 6TH BOOK OF HARRY POTTER DO NOT CLICK THE FOLLOWING LINK OR EVEN READ THE NAME-- SPOILER AHEAD.

http://www.dumbledoreisnotdead.com/

[inkspot]

Wow, this is very interesting. I have never thought of HP in relation to Nazism. Thank you for this insight! You know, people said LOTR was related to Nazism, too, that the lands which fell under Sauron's control has the joy and beauty leeched out of them as did the nations subjugated by Nazi Germany. So this is an interesting parallel.

And a note for all you kids on myspace.com -- I just read there are a bunch of ongoing investigations of assaults and killings of teens/kids who put their personal information on their myspace site. DO NOT EVER PUT YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION ON A SITE ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC. You never know who might be reading it, some crazy person in your neighborhood could find you. And don't talk to strangers. End of lecture.

[onlymystory]

Ohh. Watch out for the Mods on the COS forums. When I was extremely addicted to HP, I signed up for that. They are Ok, but the Mods are scary.

yeah we're not that scary. there's just too many of us to do much personal talking. some of us don't really tell who we are just so we can maintain mod status without worrying about disagreements. but most of us you can talk to. (well, except me, I try to stay quiet and just observe unless I'm needed.)

[rainNluv]

And a note for all you kids on myspace.com -- I just read there are a bunch of ongoing investigations of assaults and killings of teens/kids who put their personal information on their myspace site. DO NOT EVER PUT YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION ON A SITE ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC. You never know who might be reading it, some crazy person in your neighborhood could find you. And don't talk to strangers. End of lecture.

Thanks for the precaution, but I've prolly already read those same news reports about myspace too, and i think last night there a thing on the tv about "Investigating Myspace" all about the weirdos and perves.

[Wunderkind]

I Love Harry Potter,because there are so many characters,with different personalities.My favourite character is Hermione,she's so cool :)

[Loony]

I love Hermione, but Luna has to be my favourite, she's just herself all the time. Totally independant. I think she's awesome! :D

~Manda

[miss-moseley]

i like ron...
his just so funny and charming..
he fit that role perfect, rupert grint:D

[inkspot]

That's true, the kid who played Ron, he's a really good Ron.

But Snape is really the best one in the books and the movies. You have to love Snape. The actor who plays Snape in the films? he's a great Snape.

[Loony]

The actor who plays Snape-Alan Rickman- is fantastic! He fits how I imagined Snape EXACTLY!

~Manda

[abbyluvswilliam]

The actor who plays Snape-Alan Rickman- is fantastic! He fits how I imagined Snape EXACTLY!

~Manda

yea Snape is awesome i could never pisture someone other than Alan Rickman being him he is brilliant! The only actor that bothers me is the new Dumbledore i am glad that he died in the book! Cuz i can certainly live without him in the 7th movie!
I read the Half-Blood prince today awesome book!

[glamel]

That's true, the kid who played Ron, he's a really good Ron.

But Snape is really the best one in the books and the movies. You have to love Snape. The actor who plays Snape in the films? he's a great Snape.

yes, he is...
i, actually wanted to kill him:D
that's how good he is,

[Tweetsie]

AHHH!!! We're on the subject of Actors!!! All I can say is.. Rupert Grint is the BEST RON POSSIBLE!!! And Snape... hahahaha Alan Rickman is an awesome actor. This time around I was also stunned by Voldemort, and how well he was portrayed by Ralph Fiennes, but I was disappointed in the Death Eaters. They seemed to remind me of another tall hat clan type thing. *cough* But back to Alan Rickman, I love his nose, cause when he's acting, he can look down on people from it, and that is what a Snape needs to have. I always want to hurt him too.. he's such a jerk, but that's how well Alan Rickman does it! I am sooo grateful Harry Potter got such great actors for some of the big parts. :)

[Loony]

yea Snape is awesome i could never pisture someone other than Alan Rickman being him he is brilliant! The only actor that bothers me is the new Dumbledore i am glad that he died in the book! Cuz i can certainly live without him in the 7th movie!
I read the Half-Blood prince today awesome book!


I agree, Michael Gambon is just not my Dumbly :(
It was such a shame when Richard Harris died...the new Dumbledore just doesn't have the warmth that he did.

~Manda

[Lillee]

I agree Micheal Gambon just isnt the real Dumbledore. I actually watched the first movie before I started reading the series. Richard Harris is who I see portraying Dumbledore in the books.

[Tweetsie]

I agree, Michael Gambon is just not my Dumbly :(
It was such a shame when Richard Harris died...the new Dumbledore just doesn't have the warmth that he did.

~Manda
The new DD scares me, with his hair ties and such... :( :eek: :p

[tgraveline]

I know what you mean, the original was better, but I think gamdon gets better with each movie. Just remember though, that the original dumbledore is in your mind and hearts when you read the book first. I don't have that luxury as i saw the movies before i read the books.

tg

[Loony]

You didn't read the books first?
Thats a shame, I still see my own Harry and Hermione! I don't see those who play them in the movies! Because the ones I think of when reading the books, are my characters, they're my own, from my own imagination and no-one can take them from me :D

I think Michael Gambon is too harsh...his voice is so harsh, whilst Richard Harris had such a soft welcoming voice. Michael Gambon also tried to put humour into it, like in the PoA movie, when they're in the hospital, he slaps his hand on Ron's sore leg. It's meant to be funny, but the Dumbly I know wouldn't do that :(

~Manda

[Dh4nn_Cyr4nze]

yes, i one of the big fan Harry POtter, specially, i like Ron Weasley,...

[tgraveline]

I totally sympathize with you looney. I only wish I would have imagined harry and the rest before I saw the movies. But I do like their looks for it, especially Hermione (please god don't make me sound like a pedophile)

tg

[onlymystory]

she's 17 and you're not that old. or did you want your cane back?

I always thought the best dumbledore would be a combination of the two actors. Harris was perfect for portraying the man that Harry trusted and loved but Michael Gambon does a better job at conveying how truly powerful a wizard Dumbledore is. They just need to combine the two. Having said that, I think that so far the most perfectly cast actor has been Gary Oldman as Sirius. I can't wait to see the flashbacks and this next movie with him.

[tgraveline]

Really, she is that old eh. Hmm... I'm not going to say much more than Yeeehhhhaaaawwww.

tg

[onlymystory]

i'm going to refrain from commenting.

What do you think of the new actors picked for the 5th movie? I think POTW posted a link to a story about them a few pages back.

[inkspot]

I think the girl they chose for Luna is going to be good if they make up her hair and clothes right.

I like the looks of the woman they chose for Umbridge, I think she will be real despicable.

The others ... I don't know ... probably okay.

[tgraveline]

That is how I feel about her, I will save judgement for her until I see her in action. Well GoF is on DVD now, too bad amazon is waiting forever to get it to me. Jerks.

tg

[glamel]

anyone knows something about the last book??
is it done? when will JK release it? whats the title? geez, i'd be really glad if someone will tell me........:D

[onlymystory]

JKR started working on the last book in February. (as in a few weeks ago) she has not yet announced the title nor the release date. However she has said that after this book (and a good long rest) she would love to compile a wizarding world encyclopedia. Something to explain all the aspects of wizarding and the biographies of many of the lesser characters. She has also mentioned occasionally the idea of writing Hogwarts, A History but has said that would be extremely timeconsuming and fans should not anticipate it but just be excited if it ever does come out. Hope that helps.

[inkspot]

She is just starting book 7? Oh, my goodness! How will she have it ready by 7-7-07, if this is the release date? I think it would be SO COOL if it were released on that date because seven is supposed to be God's number, the number of perfection. I hope she can complete it by then.

[tgraveline]

Well I know she had worked on a lot of the plot beforehand. I would think having just that to write, would be enough time. Just from my experience of working on my own book. I've been doing it for over a year now including the plot development and all that. So I think with her having time, she could do it by then. We'll see, thats just been rumored for some reason.

tg

[Loony]

***SPOILER FOR HBP SPOILER DON'T READ IF YOU HAVEN'T READ BOOK 6***





*SERIOUSLY DON'T LOOK IF YOU'VE NOT READ BOOK 6!*

















Ok, I think I might have noticed a foreshadowing sort of thing...Well maybe it's just coincidence but meh.

When Harry has fallen off the Nimbus 2000 and they are all looking over his bed when he wakes up and Ron (I think it's Ron!) says "He doesn't look so good" and then Fred/George says "Well lets throw you off of the tower and see how you look" or something like that.
I think that foreshadows Dumbledore falling from the roof.
But I'm probably just looking too hard for some foreshadowing...

[inkspot]

No, that's a good point -- already they were talking about someone going off the tower. I think it could be foreshadowing. Really, there is lots in the books, I think. I do not have the books with me, or I would list some! In some early book they learned about some particular herb, and then like two books later, they had to use it in an emergency ... It was just a throwaway they