Anyone notice the irony?

[Kaosium]

Was recently re-reading "The Silver Chair"and found something I don't think I ever noticed eons back when I read it however many times. We are led to believe the ancient Giant King's inscription refers to him, but when Rilian speaks them first, he is also referring to himself. Think about it:

"Though under earth and throneless now I be,
yet, while I lived, all Earth was under me."

That's Rilian! He's not really 'living' as Rilian as the Lady's slave.

[PrinceOfTheWest]

That's an interesting observation, though it's a loose connection (Rilian was still only prince, not yet king, and of only Narnia, not the entire earth). But the point about being "under earth and throneless" does apply. Very observant!

[Srob]

But he was destined to be King. And even though the inscription was a long time b4 Rilian(I would says thousands, but it never says in books), it could have been meaning that it was refferring to him. And at the time that Rillian says the quote, his father is dead--or almost, I don't quite remember--(although Rillian doesn't know) and he is really King.

Stephen

[Phlebas]

There is another irony from that same chapter in SC. As Rillian--still enchanted--is singing the praises of the Lady of the Green Kirtle to Puddleglum and the children, he says," No mother has taken pains more tenderly for her child, than the Queen's grace has for me." In other words, Rillian is praising the Witch who killed his own mother as being somehow "better" than a mother!

[Corin Thunder-Fist]

Was recently re-reading "The Silver Chair"and found something I don't think I ever noticed eons back when I read it however many times. We are led to believe the ancient Giant King's inscription refers to him, but when Rilian speaks them first, he is also referring to himself. Think about it:

"Though under earth and throneless now I be,
yet, while I lived, all Earth was under me."

That's Rilian! He's not really 'living' as Rilian as the Lady's slave.


Actually, I just finished re-reading it also...like yerself, I took more notice to that quote than I had before. My first thought was "oh no, those people who think Jadis is the Queen of the Underworld are going to say that this phrase proves she IS Jadis". That can't be, however, since Rillian says that this phrase was carved there by the ancient Giants. If that were referring to Jadis then she would've had to be underground, and I don't think she was. She went north after Aslan had the tree of protection planted. I don't think she had any reason to set up camp underground, the Narnians weren't after her.


I actually think it had to do with Father Time. When the children ask who he is in the Silver Chair, they are told: "That is old Father Time, who once was a King in Overland". I think, more likely than not, that the inscription was there for him.

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[Kaosium]

Actually, I just finished re-reading it also...like yerself, I took more notice to that quote than I had before. My first thought was "oh no, those people who think Jadis is the Queen of the Underworld are going to say that this phrase proves she IS Jadis". That can't be, however, since Rillian says that this phrase was carved there by the ancient Giants. If that were referring to Jadis then she would've had to be underground, and I don't think she was. She went north after Aslan had the tree of protection planted. I don't think she had any reason to set up camp underground, the Narnians weren't after her.


I actually think it had to do with Father Time. When the children ask who he is in the Silver Chair, they are told: "That is old Father Time, who once was a King in Overland". I think, more likely than not, that the inscription was there for him.

I simply thought it iromic that it was Rilian who first revealed the entire inscription, as it also referred to him. Ya never know, that was one clever little lion, he mighta been able to pull it off that way. ;)

Dunno how you got Jadis out of all this, the Lady of the Green Kirtle acted nothing like Jadis, and special care was made to say she was "of the same sort" as opposed to the possibility she was really Jadis. Can't imagine the White Witch sitting down and strumming after her plans had gone awry.

Father Time might well have been the ancient Giant King the way they described him. I was pointing out the fact Rillian who was first to reveal it to us also could have fit the description.

[Corin Thunder-Fist]

I simply thought it iromic that it was Rilian who first revealed the entire inscription, as it also referred to him. Ya never know, that was one clever little lion, he mighta been able to pull it off that way. ;)

Dunno how you got Jadis out of all this, the Lady of the Green Kirtle acted nothing like Jadis, and special care was made to say she was "of the same sort" as opposed to the possibility she was really Jadis. Can't imagine the White Witch sitting down and strumming after her plans had gone awry.

Father Time might well have been the ancient Giant King the way they described him. I was pointing out the fact Rillian who was first to reveal it to us also could have fit the description.


I understand what you're saying, but it really doesn't apply to him as someone else said. He wasn't even the King, and as it was he was only the prince of one land.

I didn't say that it was Jadis, I said my fear was after reading that that "the people who thought she was Jadis would think this PROVES she is." This is a debate going on in another thread. Some people think they are the same person, or atleast the same spirit due to some writer that listed them as being the same person.

If they WERE the same person (which they aren't), then it does sort of make sense. 1) Throneless now I be (because she was removed from her throne by Aslan) 2) she lives in the underworld 3) yet while I lived (for she was killed by Aslan).

I made the point why I believed it wasn't her in my previous post, but these are the reasons I could see those that support the idea of Jadis being Lade of the Green Kirtle applying that inscription to her.

I hope that's a little clearer.

[Rhyanidd]

umm....thats intresting, never noticed the inscription before, I mean I knew about it but never put it together that way, and Yes I DO think that it could also refer to Rillian, and Perhaps Father time, it could refer to a lot of people!

[Srob]

I had never thought about it referring to Father Time----crazy--- but it makes since.

And about him being a giant, that sounds true as well, because they describe him as a really big human(I don't know the actualy words).