View Full Version : how could it be that lucy told the story about coming into narnia
lieke
01-07-2006, 10:15 AM
in the horse and his boy, after the battle, Lucy tells the story about her and Peter, Susan and Edmund coming into narnia, that means that she knew all about it then.
But when she returnes to our world in "the lion, the witch and the wardrobe", and she sees the lamppost they don't recognise it and Lucy sais that she know it maybe from "a dream of a dream".
how could it be that lucy did remember it in HHB, and she didn't remember it in the end of LWW? (there wasn't a big time between it)
PrinceOfTheWest
01-07-2006, 10:29 AM
That's one of the inconsistencies in the books, and one reason I doubt the veracity of the "Narnian timeline" that's floating around. I've posted about it in other places, but in my opinion the source of that timeline (Walter Hooper, in the book Past Watchful Dragons is suspect.
lieke
01-07-2006, 10:37 AM
but there really wasn't much time between it right? so or lewis made a little mistake, or all of the children lost there memorys just like that :)
PrinceOfTheWest
01-07-2006, 11:05 AM
Well, how much time there was is a question of dispute. According to the "timeline", the Golden Age lasted only 15 years, with Horse taking place just a year before the Hunting of the White Stag. I agree with you, that would be an unreasonably swift loss of memory for them all. My thinking on this, since I was very young, was that the Golden Age would have had to have lasted 20-25 years at least - long enough for Peter to grow into a "great warrior" and for Edmund to gecome "great in council and judgement" (these things are hard to achieve in 15 years).
Of course, I could be dead wrong on this, and Lewis might have been up against the problem with writing a series, particularly when you never envisioned you'd been doing so. Keeping a set of stories internally consistent is very difficult, as writers like Tolkien and Katherine Kurtz witness. For instance, in Lion, Lewis says about the grown Susan that "the kings of the countries beyond the sea began to send ambassadors asking for her hand in marriage." But in later books we learn that there really weren't any countries beyond the seas. Calormen isn't "beyond the sea", though they travelled by sea to get there. The only other lands are places like Galma and Terebinthia. The largest of the lands across the sea would be the archipelago of the Lone Islands, which was already a Narnian possession. So where are these "lands across the sea"? Well, it seems there aren't.
lieke
01-07-2006, 11:44 AM
so what you mean is that the lewis mentioned the time of the golden age to last like 10 years longer so that Lucy and the others could forget everything about this world.
that seems like a pretty good reason to me.
But still, peter was like 13 or 14 when he first entered narnia, if you are so old you won't forget were you have been the first 13/14 years of your life.
Well, there probably isn't a real answer to it.
kirke
01-08-2006, 07:01 PM
i was under the assumption the golden years were more like 30-45 years. that much time without thinking about something (why would they think about home) and who would just remember it?
sailndwntrder
01-09-2006, 02:21 AM
i think its just because lewis had not anticipated his other novels.
each one her wrote he thought was going to be his last in the series, so when he wrote LWW, he had not been planning on writing the others.
so when he wrote HHB he probably just didn't realize this inconsistency
lieke
01-09-2006, 12:30 PM
i think its just because lewis had not anticipated his other novels.
each one her wrote he thought was going to be his last in the series, so when he wrote LWW, he had not been planning on writing the others.
so when he wrote HHB he probably just didn't realize this inconsistency
that's a good reason to, that explains why the children don't remember this world anymore. And Lewis just made a mistake in HHB i think
I had always thought that Lucy meant to be telling the story as if saying " Can you believe some people said we came into Narnia this way? Why, I do believe that I've been here my whole life." And since others were telling the story of how Mt. Pire came into being(which I don't know if it is fable or truth, as Narnia never says--or I must have forgot) as a legen, she was telling a story of how the Pevensie's "came" to Narnia.
This is just my opinion. But all the books say something about Narnian air, it makes you more "noble and king/queen-like and back to how you were in Narnia(if you had been there b4)" So I think that it is perfectly plausible that the Golden Age of Narnia was 15 years(although as with most of you, I have always thought 20-25 yrs) because the children would grow and learn faster in the ways of kings/queens in Narnian air. Again, only my opinion. But if you like it, you can keep it ... :)
Stephen
onlymystory
01-11-2006, 01:53 AM
I definitely think that the golden age was longer. And I think Lucy probably remembered more their time with the battle and stuff, little details like the lamp post and england we're forgotten but not the story as a whole.
lamer
01-11-2006, 11:41 AM
Yeah, I didn't read all the posts here, but my thought was always that, for Lucy... telling a story is much different from seeing the real thing. She may have forgotten when she saw it. She may have not tied the Lantern Waste she was seeing to her story. Who knows.
Basilides
01-13-2006, 02:06 AM
Memories, with time, become like fantasies, even if you can recall every detail. And then, when faced with some person or place that you thought safely tucked away in memory, it can seem like a dream coming back to you. This has happened to me. Even if Lewis did not intend it to be so, the reactions of the Pevensies to the lamp-post even one year after Lucy telling their stories are fitting.
lamer
01-13-2006, 11:51 AM
Yeah, exactly what I meant :D
Phinix
01-13-2006, 05:29 PM
This holds Vilidity but in my belef i don't think she actuly beleved it was how they came to Narnia when she told it. Or Just perhaps this is still early on in the rule. I think part of how HHB came into his mind it was an earler rather than later story OR at least a few more years raning in Narnia and it would turn from a fantisful story into a dream a few more years and it could inded become a dream of a dream
furcoats
01-27-2006, 10:12 AM
Well, did C.S.Lewis write the time ine? if he didn't then it is not exactly correct based on the books. Also, I had invisioned Lucy being about 15 when she met Aravis. If so, she would been in Narnia only about 7 years. And as lots of you said, it's fairly easy to recall details for a story and then when fazced with that circumstance, forget them.
I don't think C.S. Lewis wrote the timeline, actually I am pretty sure he didn't. It is another one of those things that each and every one of us can have our own opinions on and not be wrong.
I hope that when(if) they make the movie, that they will give us a # of years.
Rhyanidd
02-02-2006, 05:50 PM
The golden age was fairly long, so they may have remembered it at that point...how much does Lucy tell, I mean she probably remembers the Battle...duh....and in the end of LWW shes the one that says it from a dream of a dream...so.......But like what has been said earlier Lewis didn't anticipate writing a whole series.
Well "hypothetically" the we believe that the Golden Age is what 20-25 years long?
I personally believe that it was all in the "magic" of the Narnian air/atmosphere. It changes people. Because my parents got married about 28 years ago, and they still remember almost everything since then. So, it isn't like Lucy "forgot" that she was from England because of the time, it was because Narnian air changes people.
Again, my $0.02
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