How to develop the romance

[Josh]

Obviously the moviemakers will need to develop the romance between Caspian and Ramandu's Daughter. This is where you post ideas on how it sould be done.

Here is my idea. It does stray from the book as it would cause RD to be in the majority of the film. But here it goes.


Caspian meets Ramandu's Daughter on the Lone Islands, where for some reason she is one of the many prisoners about to be sold as a slave. She gets rescued by Caspian and he kinda feels very attracted to her. In the Lone Islands, she is wearing a dark cloak to give her a bit more of a mysterious appearance. After she is freed, she talks with Caspian. When she learns of his journey to find the missing lords she says she wishes to go with him, though she doesnt say why (She wants to make sure they make it to her father's island because she knows three of the Lords are asleep there.). She wouldnt tell Caspian she is a star's daughter. Throughout the voyage she would serve as a guide, and during this time an attraction(though not over the top) would develop between her and Caspian. During the voyage Lucy notices Caspian giving the attention to RD, and that begins a subplot of her feeling she's not pretty enough to be noticed by boys(which sets up the scene in the magician's house where she gets jealous of susan).

Eventually Caspian makes it to Ramandu's Island. Once there, it would be revealed to the audiance that Ramandu is the father of RD and that she is a descendant of a star. Now Caspian would find the three sleepers and Ramandu would tell him how to break the enchantment. The next day Caspian gets ready to go sail to the end of the world. RD stays on the island to be with her father since she hasnt seen him awhile. Before Caspian leaves he promises her he will return.

The last scene between them should be when Caspian returns from the journey. Ramandu's Daughter, sees his ship coming and she runs down to the shore to greet him. They embrace and share a kiss(for the first time in the movie), and it implied that they will get married.

[Aravis_yanes]

That's a really good idea, But ummm... it gets really out of the actual story, But is really a good one!!! :D

[PrinceOfTheWest]

Not to be too blunt here, but:

YUCK!


The entire beauty of Ramandu's daughter was her mystery, and the fact that she dwelt at the beginning of the end of the world. To have her present throughout the voyage would change everything. I think they should leave it as it is.

[Aravis_yanes]

How'd u xpalin why she was a slave???

[Aravis Kenobi]

Good storyline, but I fear that's a bit TOO far away from the book. It woudln't make sense for a woman like that to be a slave. I mean, it just wouldn't. :confused:

I trust that the writers will come up with an ingenious way to develop the relationship between the two of them. to sum up how I would like to see the romance: Caspian meets her on the island, they have an obvious attraction to each other, they might discuss something\have a conversation before he leaves, he goes away, maybe there should be a scene where Ramandu approaches her as she's looking out across the sea waiting for him. When she sees him, she should embrace him, they kiss, and either they get married on the island or they go back to Narnia to get married.

That's how I think it'd be better. I know I'm not very artistic in that but it's a summary.

[Aravis_yanes]

btw... do u know who is going to play RD?

I think they relation should stay as the book says, I wouldn't like that they change it :)

[Aravis Kenobi]

I don't think she's been cast yet, Ay.

They should add to it. I mean, for those that haven't read the books, it's a bit ridiculous for two characters who've just met and didn't really talk at all to get married just like that. That's when you have the audience laughing at the film instead of enjoying it. It can be done well and still be kept within the bounds of the book. But it shouldn't become the FOCUS of the film. That's probably why Lewis wrote of it so minimally as he did.

[Aravis_yanes]

I don't think she's been cast yet, Ay.

They should add to it. I mean, for those that haven't read the books, it's a bit ridiculous for two characters who've just met and didn't really talk at all to get married just like that. That's when you have the audience laughing at the film instead of enjoying it. It can be done well and still be kept within the bounds of the book. But it shouldn't become the FOCUS of the film. That's probably why Lewis wrote of it so minimally as he did.

You're right I haven't thought in that...

[kingcaspian]

I like Aravis's idea better. Josh's storyline is good but only if it is was not based on a book. And they she couldn't just go through the entire movie with the name Ramandu's daughter. They'de have to give her a name.

[Aravis_yanes]

I like Aravis's idea better. Josh's storyline is good but only if it is was not based on a book. And they she couldn't just go through the entire movie with the name Ramandu's daughter. They'de have to give her a name.

Your right... hahaha... she can't say - Hi I'm Radmandu's Daughter, the first question that everyone's going to ask is who's Radmandu? because not until the end of the story you meet him..

[Josh]

I DID NOT SAY THIS IS WHAT THEY SHOULD DO!!! Your suppossed to give a general summary of how you would do the romance.

This is very very very BIG departure from the book....BUT....i always felt that the romance thing in the books was rather rushed...and I know Hollywood producers are going to throw in romance.


This is the place to share ideas on how you would develop it.

Btw, if they ever did my version they would HAVE to give her a name. You can't give her 70 minutes of screentime and not be named.

[Aravis Kenobi]

I doubt it'd be anywhere near 70. A safe bet would be closer to 20 minutes or 30.

The name thing would be difficult. How can you name someone who is so mysterious not to even be named??? I think they can get away without naming her. But you never know. *shrugs*

[MrBob]

I like the idea of the fairy tale romance that the book portrayed. Maybe a subplot could be Caspian wanting to find a princess to be his queen with Lucy mentioning that in fairy tales she heard of, where the prince meets the princess and there is love at first sight.

The problem with having RD on the voyage is that it alters the dynamics of the story. With RD so important, they would not hesitate to bring her off the ship on islands such as Duffer and Deathwater. Dark Island would be interesting since she is a star's daughter and would she even have nightmares?

Another aspect that has been discussed is the "vision" of RD that Caspian has until he makes it to Ramadu's Island. I dislike that as well.

MrBob

[Miss.SunFlower]

I like the idea of the fairy tale romance that the book portrayed. Maybe a subplot could be Caspian wanting to find a princess to be his queen with Lucy mentioning that in fairy tales she heard of, where the prince meets the princess and there is love at first sight.

MrBob

^I am liking that idea very much! because it's not to far from the book just adding a bit of dialog that isn't out of character for either of them. I do believe, and I may be wrong, there was an offhand comment about someone maybe marrying Caspian and him turning her down ("Squints and has freckles" I think he said) .... I think I remember this. You could easily add what you suggested right in there and it would do no damage to the plot at all.

[kilendil]

The way I always imagined it was that Caspian and RD would have "intense like" at first sight, so that when the conversation about the knife and the sleepers was going on Caspian and RD would be flirting. Not the stupid, obvious flirting, but more an awkward "look at you then look away sort of quick but not really" flirting. Of course, RD would be graceful and awkward at the same time, while Caspian would be a bit more awkward.

As for showing the relationship more than that, soft toned voices and at least one private conversation before Caspian leaves for the end of the world is a must. Other than that, I'm at a complete loss...:(

[Josh]

The problem with having RD on the voyage is that it alters the dynamics of the story. With RD so important, they would not hesitate to bring her off the ship on islands such as Duffer and Deathwater. \

MrBob

Well that was kinda the idea. RD may not have nightmares, but mabye Caspian could have a nightmare about something happening to RD.

Mabye after Ramandu's Island, RD could join the journey for the last little portion of the voyage.

[MRW]

How on earth could they plausibly place RD on the islands, particularly as a slave/captive? She's the daughter of a STAR, and she lives at the edge of the world. No one had ever gone that far before the Lords and the Dawn Treader's crew, which means that RD would have had to leave the island herself, and I just can't think of a good reason why she would have done so.

Additionally, introducing her earlier completely changes the dynamic of the relationship beyond what I think Lewis would have been pleased with. The whole point was that it was the fairytale love-at-first-sight thing. But Caspian's men had to forcibly stop him from abandoning her to go to the Utter East, which probably wouldn't have happened if he was completely and fully in love with her and she had been along with him on the rest of the voyage.

If they want to introduce RD earlier, I would be okay with some vision-type things or dreams of her. But to actually introduce her as a full character before they reach the island? NO.

[Aravis Kenobi]

How on earth could they plausibly place RD on the islands, particularly as a slave/captive? She's the daughter of a STAR, and she lives at the edge of the world. No one had ever gone that far before the Lords and the Dawn Treader's crew, which means that RD would have had to leave the island herself, and I just can't think of a good reason why she would have done so.

Additionally, introducing her earlier completely changes the dynamic of the relationship beyond what I think Lewis would have been pleased with. The whole point was that it was the fairytale love-at-first-sight thing. But Caspian's men had to forcibly stop him from abandoning her to go to the Utter East, which probably wouldn't have happened if he was completely and fully in love with her and she had been along with him on the rest of the voyage.

If they want to introduce RD earlier, I would be okay with some vision-type things or dreams of her. But to actually introduce her as a full character before they reach the island? NO.


I agree with you on everything. I think it should be more of an Aragorn\Arwen type romance. Where the waiting is the most unbearable part because RD doesnt' know if caspian will choose Aslan's country or her. She doesn't know if he will come back. She should sorta make him promise he'll come back and Lucy should remind him of it. :p But if they introduce her earlier in the film...even in visions....I don't know if I'd like that. I don't know. I don't think I want to think about it too much more until the film's released.

[inkspot]

Josh's idea sounds like something the filmmakers who made PC would do, so I think it's quite plausible in the Hollywood way of things.

If this film is made, I would prefer they simply stuck with the book as regards RD and Caspian, with maybe a slight modification. I think it would be fine if we see the Pevensies and Eustace safely home, and then see Caspian sailing back to RD, and their joyful reunion, and then no wedding or anything like that -- just see them together, in love at her island, The End. People would assume that they went on back to Narnia and lived happily ever after.

[Aravis_yanes]

That's sounds good... :D

[Into the Wardrobe]

*Inserts broken record* Stick to the books!

Voyage of the Dawn Treader, by C.S. Lewis....it's a classic! If it isn't broke, don't fix it. Adaptation is one thing for the big screen, film versions of fanfiction are something else entirely. Let's not go down that path again...it didn't serve PC well and could very well be lethal to the franchise if treaded again. VDT can stick to the book pretty well and not be boring. If they want to do a bit of the voyage home, that's fine since we know in the books that it happened, so why not show it. It would be a great set up for Silver Chair if they did show a wedding on the return trip to end the film.

I don't think that the filmmakers need ideas as to how to film it. They have the book. That is all they really need.

[Aravis Kenobi]

*Inserts broken record* Stick to the books!

Voyage of the Dawn Treader, by C.S. Lewis....it's a classic! If it isn't broke, don't fix it. Adaptation is one thing for the big screen, film versions of fanfiction are something else entirely. Let's not go down that path again...it didn't serve PC well and could very well be lethal to the franchise if treaded again. VDT can stick to the book pretty well and not be boring. If they want to do a bit of the voyage home, that's fine since we know in the books that it happened, so why not show it. It would be a great set up for Silver Chair if they did show a wedding on the return trip to end the film.

I don't think that the filmmakers need ideas as to how to film it. They have the book. That is all they really need.


since producer Mark Johnson sees the mistakes they made with PC, I hope and pray they heed their own mistakes. they'll be pretty dumb if they've seen the mistakes and don't correct them. for myself, I'd like to see a wedding to end VDT. and since there's a new director on board *Pardon the pun* perhaps it'll be a fresh start. Then again, we mustn't blame the actors\actresses because they're following the director\script. We all know how that can end up sometimes though *cough*haydenchristensen*cough*

but anyways, for my romantic other half, I'd love to see a wedding to wrap the film up. :D *and possibly SC could start with the birth of Rilian???*

[PrinceOfTheWest]

There's a little leeway they have with the return voyage, though if they're wise they won't go too far in that direction. Perhaps a shot of the Dawn Treader returning to Ramandu's Island, and pulling into Cair Paravel, and maybe a wedding in Cair's great hall - but not too much.

[inkspot]

I agree with PoTW. And ITW. We don't need to know that much about the romance, because it's a fairy tale, after all -- people just fall in love ...

[queenaravis707]

I agree with most of you. The book was not about the romance, but about the travels. Although they'll have to build some sort of relationship in order to cover for the whole Susan/Caspian mistake so it won't look like Caspian falls for any good looking girl that comes by, it doesn't have to be that detailed.

[Frodosgurl]

I love the your Josh! I think it sounds great!:D

[Josh]

I love the your Josh! I think it sounds great!:D

thanks, its good to know i didnt think that up for nothing.

They could if you want to be accurate, just have them develop it on the island, but the problem is they can only spend so much time there. You cant have more than 15 minutes of Ramandu's Island without people beggining to get bored.

I never thought of it as a fairy tale romance. If it was they would be singing songs together with a bunch of little animals and birds dancing around them.

[Aravis_yanes]

thanks, its good to know i didnt think that up for nothing.

They could if you want to be accurate, just have them develop it on the island, but the problem is they can only spend so much time there. You cant have more than 15 minutes of Ramandu's Island without people beggining to get bored.

I never thought of it as a fairy tale romance. If it was they would be singing songs together with a bunch of little animals and birds dancing around them.

But it doesn't have to be a big convesation just something that show they like each other, and later perhaps like at the end of the credits or somethingshow they got married, or like someone mentioned the birth or Rillian.

[MRW]

Aw, but the dancing and animals worked for Giselle. ;) If you actually read the original fairytales, there was lots of this love-at-first-sight stuff, but no dancing animals, and I think that's what Lewis was drawing from.

Also, the relative shortness of the Caspian/RD courship is one of the reasons Caspian/Susan was such a bad idea. The length of their acquaintance and all the longing looks overshadow the fairytale aspect of the romance with RD. And, since the "relationship" with Susan was, in all actuality, more realistic, viewers who aren't hardcore canon fans are going to think the love-at-first-sight bit is lame.

[inkspot]

Aw, but the dancing and animals worked for Giselle. ;) If you actually read the original fairytales, there was lots of this love-at-first-sight stuff, but no dancing animals, and I think that's what Lewis was drawing from.
Right! That's what I was thinking of. Not necessarily an - ahem - Disney fairy tale.
I never thought of it as a fairy tale romance. If it was they would be singing songs together with a bunch of little animals and birds dancing around them. Although now that you mention it, perhaps this is what the filmmakers can go with instead of the whole "In this land, the prince must break the spell before he can kiss the girl" or whatever ...

[Aravis Kenobi]

thanks, its good to know i didnt think that up for nothing.

They could if you want to be accurate, just have them develop it on the island, but the problem is they can only spend so much time there. You cant have more than 15 minutes of Ramandu's Island without people beggining to get bored.

I never thought of it as a fairy tale romance. If it was they would be singing songs together with a bunch of little animals and birds dancing around them.

It doesn't have to be drawn out. The whole scene with the table and Ramandu and RD can start that relationship. They could have a 2, maybe 3 minute scene before Caspian leaves with RD\Caspian talking about things and Caspian promising he'll return...for her. They go away, she waits expectantly every day, always sitting in one spot waiting for him. *that may not work, but I'm throwing it in there, lol*. He comes back, they get re-acquainted and then they both leave and sail back to narnia. Brief wedding scene....

*gasp* I just had a brainwave!

If they write in a kiss when Caspian comes back to the Island and the two of them kiss, they could zoom in on their faces then zoom out revealing their wedding!!!! :eek: That would finalize the relationship and end the film!....unless they decide to end with the Pevensies\Eustace but still.....I actually thought of something smart. :rolleyes: :p

[Miss.SunFlower]

It doesn't have to be drawn out. The whole scene with the table and Ramandu and RD can start that relationship. They could have a 2, maybe 3 minute scene before Caspian leaves with RD\Caspian talking about things and Caspian promising he'll return...for her. They go away, she waits expectantly every day, always sitting in one spot waiting for him. *that may not work, but I'm throwing it in there, lol*. He comes back, they get re-acquainted and then they both leave and sail back to narnia. Brief wedding scene....

*gasp* I just had a brainwave!

If they write in a kiss when Caspian comes back to the Island and the two of them kiss, they could zoom in on their faces then zoom out revealing their wedding!!!! :eek: That would finalize the relationship and end the film!....unless they decide to end with the Pevensies\Eustace but still.....I actually thought of something smart. :rolleyes: :p


Well they could during the wedding read the last paragraph of the book talking about how they got married and then also end with the whole thing about how Eustace was a much nicer boy and stuff...

[inkspot]

i like the kiss on the island turning into the kiss on their wedding day. if there has to be kissing ... :)

[Lucy Fan]

Perhaps at first, she finds Caspian as an annoyance and later they find something they have in common or they have a simple conversation and she sort of is intriqued by him and they just slowly develop into two people who fall in love.

[EveningStar]

I have a better idea. Leave VODT as its own story completely alone and write your own FanFic as a separate story that concentrates exclusively on your romance angle. She was born to be a Star, not a Guest Star. ;)

[Aravis Kenobi]

i like the kiss on the island turning into the kiss on their wedding day. if there has to be kissing ... :)

Maybe he should kiss her hand when he leaves for the end of the world. :p I mean if they decide that there should be only one kiss I think that'd be a way to do it. I mean it's not a love story, per se because I don't think that's the focus so I think the kissing should be kept to one or two kisses. Then we move on. :p

[Josh]

Maybe he should kiss her hand when he leaves for the end of the world. :p I mean if they decide that there should be only one kiss I think that'd be a way to do it. I mean it's not a love story, per se because I don't think that's the focus so I think the kissing should be kept to one or two kisses. Then we move on. :p

You are right, they need to develop the love story, but keep it from being one of the main focuses of the film. If anything, they should focus on Eustace's change.

You all are giving good ideas, keep it up.

[inkspot]

I don't mind kissing -- I love kissing, personally -- but I agree the focus of the book needs to remain the focus of the story. I don't want everyone to think Caspian is kind of fickle or girl crazy because he's always kissing someone different in every film.

[PrinceOfTheWest]

Here's my question: why on earth does this "love story" need to be "developed"? Josh, you state that as if it were an unquestioned assumption - well, I'm questioning it. The whole series of stories gets along just fine in book form without "developing" any "love stories" - why on earth does the movie "need" to do it?

[Josh]

Because its easy to say in the book...."later on they got married", but in the film it usually doesnt work as well. I don't know, but thats what people on other Narnia sites are saying...this isnt necessarily my opinion.

Also the Susan/Caspian romance has really complicated things, so they need to make the audiance like RD more than Susan and show that Caspian likes RD more than susan.

[Frodosgurl]

thanks, its good to know i didnt think that up for nothing.

They could if you want to be accurate, just have them develop it on the island, but the problem is they can only spend so much time there. You cant have more than 15 minutes of Ramandu's Island without people beggining to get bored.

I never thought of it as a fairy tale romance. If it was they would be singing songs together with a bunch of little animals and birds dancing around them.

LOL....

I think you are right. :D

[Aravis Kenobi]

Because its easy to say in the book...."later on they got married", but in the film it usually doesnt work as well. I don't know, but thats what people on other Narnia sites are saying...this isnt necessarily my opinion.

Also the Susan/Caspian romance has really complicated things, so they need to make the audiance like RD more than Susan and show that Caspian likes RD more than susan.


Apparently someone writing the script didn't think ahead to Dawn Treader. :rolleyes: or maybe they won't be the same writers.

As Josh said, it's easy to say things in a book. I'm not saying, "turn this film\those scenes into a full-blown love story" but rather, "make it more plausible for those not familiar with the book(s)." *and if they cast RD right, she will be way more likeable than Susan. I think just the mystery of RD herself will be enough to make people like\love her.*

That's my opinion.

[Aravis_yanes]

I love your banner!!!! :D

[BarbarianKing]

There are cooler ideas in the "Silly Ideas" thread in this section:D:D

[Benisse]

What if Ramandu's daughter as a star can see Caspian and the other Narnians from her heavenly post earlier in the film and be interested in him even though they don't really have interaction till they really meet on the island? Then there would be a foundation for their romance to take off without adding a lot to the plot.

[inkspot]

What if Ramandu's daughter as a star can see Caspian and the other Narnians from her heavenly post earlier in the film and be interested in him even though they don't really have interaction till they really meet on the island? Then there would be a foundation for their romance to take off without adding a lot to the plot.
Hey, I like that idea! And throughout the film, you don't know who the mysterious person is that can see them from so far away ...

[Aravis Kenobi]

but is Ramandu's Daughter really a star? It's mentioned that she has star's blood, but never really mentioned if she was an actual star like her father. Do you think perhaps, that maybe her mother was mortal? I don't recall Lewis saying for certain if she was or wasn't an actual star.

[PrinceOfTheWest]

No - there's no indication that Ramandu's daughter was herself a star. In fact, the identity - and current state - of her mother is completely ignored. I imagine Lewis would have considered that fodder for someone else to use in a story. Was Ramandu's daughter immortal? What kind of mother could bear a star a daughter who could marry a human? Was her mother mortal, and perished centuries before, leaving Ramandu and his (nameless) daughter to await Caspian's arrival?

[EveningStar]

I can see the wedding now. If she's a five pointed star they will have hot dogs and beer. If she's a six pointed star, they will have kosher beef and wine.

Sorry, that's a little mishogeh, but fun. Mazel tov! :D

[Aravis Kenobi]

No - there's no indication that Ramandu's daughter was herself a star. In fact, the identity - and current state - of her mother is completely ignored. I imagine Lewis would have considered that fodder for someone else to use in a story. Was Ramandu's daughter immortal? What kind of mother could bear a star a daughter who could marry a human? Was her mother mortal, and perished centuries before, leaving Ramandu and his (nameless) daughter to await Caspian's arrival?

Well, I guess they could write her as an actual star, but I would think that she's more half human *or mortal, I should say* half immortal. She's obviously lived a long time, especially if she knows of the Stone Table\knife. of course her father could have told her that but I don't know....I hate it when writers leave things to our imaginations! :p

I can see the wedding now. If she's a five pointed star they will have hot dogs and beer. If she's a six pointed star, they will have kosher beef and wine.

Sorry, that's a little mishogeh, but fun. Mazel tov! :D

haha. they probably will have wine, lol.

[Aravis_yanes]

I haven't read yet The Silver Chair :D but what happens exactly there with RD? For comments I've read does she die bitten by a snake???

[inkspot]

Yah, bitten by a snake. But the snake is a witch! Very scary.

[Aravis_yanes]

It sounds scary... but RD dies?

[inkspot]

Sadly, yes .... but that has happened years ago by the time SC begins. We hear next to nothing about her except she had a son, she got bitten by a snake and died, and then her son became moony about the place where the snake bit her and eventually he disappeared there.

[Aravis_yanes]

Sadly, yes .... but that has happened years ago by the time SC begins. We hear next to nothing about her except she had a son, she got bitten by a snake and died, and then her son became moony about the place where the snake bit her and eventually he disappeared there.

That's what I wanted to know :D that means that she's not inmortal even she's the daughter of a star... hmmm...interesting...

[MrBob]

We know that Ramadu has been retired for millenia. Of course, we do not know anything about Rd's parentage other than the fact that Ramadu is her father. We know not how she was conceived (Ramadu lives on his island by himself--other than his daughter of course) or whether her mother was immortal or mortal, star or human.

One thing to do to foreshadow would be to highlight the stars in the sky at night. Maybe a single bright star could be shown every time they show the night sky that is over RD's island.

MrBob

[Animus Wyrmis]

I would love to see this romance in a very understated way. I don't even want to hear their conversation--I want the camera to pan to Caspian and Ramandu's Daughter walking slowly along the beach. (Although I would love to have some conversations about Caspian married--either the captain being like, "Um, Caspian, you thought about securing your throne a bit better?" or Caspian and Ed and Lucy talking about when he should marry and whom. And if Lucy and Ramandu's Daughter somehow managed to have a discussion about being queen of Narnia I would not complain.)

I think part of the problem is that you can have this sort of chivalrous love-at-first-sight I-know-nothing-about-you-but-that-doesn't-matter kind of love, but it's a bit weird when it's juxtaposed with a more "normal" romance spread out over a great deal more time. Last year I would have said play VotDT like it was in the book and trust the audience to forget Caspian and Susan (because it was SO OBVIOUSLY a goodbye kiss!), but I have run into so many Susan/Caspian shippers I'm not sure that's possible.

[BarbarianKing]

I know how.

Use one of those "flashy thingies" from MIB and use it on everyone who saw Prince Caspian, so that we can forget that Caspian and Susan ever kissed. Then, developed the romance just like it is in the book. Whadda ya think? Perfect, right?

[Into the Wardrobe]

I know how.

Use one of those "flashy thingies" from MIB and use it on everyone who saw Prince Caspian, so that we can forget that Caspian and Susan ever kissed. Then, developed the romance just like it is in the book. Whadda ya think? Perfect, right?
LOL. That's awesome! We just need the Men in Black. No, I wouldn't really want to see it...but don't we all wish and dream that the fan base had been heard and that the pathetic Susan/Caspian romance thing had not happened in PC. It would have been nice.

[Lucy but Taller]

Yuck! Susan was bad enough,but now her! Good prediction,though!:p

[Josh]

I actually like the Susan/Caspian pairing even though it wasnt developed or in the book.

Still I much prefer Caspian/RD and they need to do it well.

[LongingforNarnia]

Okay here's my idea.

due to the fact that PC showed a bit of romance with Susan I agree, the RD/Caspian relationship needs to be developed a bit more than it was in the book. However, it does not and should not be too long; the movie's main focus should be the same as in the book and the movie will already be quite long with all the stuff they have to put in it.
Now, in PC, the Caspian/Susan relationship started rather quickly and was without a doubt only temporary infatuation. It's kind of like the first time I had a boyfriend. After he was out of the picture I realized that the ooey gooey lovie dovie stuff should not have been the main focus in the relationship. I think VOTDT should show a contrast between Caspian's crush on Susan and then on RD. His crush on Susan was mainly because she was strong, bold and a bit flirtatious. RD is different. She is well, purer in a sense. She is technically on the Island mainly to be a service to her father. She doesn't even think about falling in love, it's not a goal of hers, it just happens. I think Prince Caspian should notice how different she is to Susan and decide that he likes RD's character better.
The scene should not be mushy at all. It shouldn't be flirtatious even in the smallest of terms. It should be a simple conversation between the two that just happens to make an impression on both of their minds.
Then at the end of the film it should show him going back to that island and that should be the beginning of the courtship.
Then the beginning of The Silver Chair should show a brief recap of what has happened since the end of VOTDT, mainly, the wedding between RD and Caspian.

[Lioness_of_God]

that is a very good idea, LongingforNarnia!!! I don't think that they should focus too much on the RD/Caspian romance because the plot already has so much other stuff going on, the romance would be just a little side thing to continue the story to SC.

[Gwendolyn]

The relationship should be a surprise to both Caspian and RD.
Neither RD or Caspian expect to fall in love, but all of a sudden Caspian finds this daughter of a star, beautiful, strong, wise and worshipful love for Aslan. She seems too perfect. But RD suddenly meets Caspian, this handsome, humble, passionate king with a deep love and respect for Aslan.
They knock each other out of their senses.
This is the type of feeling it should be. Each one impressed beyond words with the other and there is just a spark.
No flirting is needed. Flirting almost seems to shallow.

Yes, a wedding at the end would be lovely. Not long, just enough to make you feel great at the end of the film.

It's so good to be back at DL. I missed these forums!

[BarbarianKing]

Just make another prince instead of Caspian to become involved with RD. Then let this one Caspian keep Susan. Heck, the whole thing is already ruined by making Caspian and Susan lust for each other, might as well do something else now.

[faithfulpurelight]

I don't think it's ruined necessarily. I think the romance was a stupid idea, definatly. But now that it's here, I think that you can easily dismiss it.

I mean, Susan can't come back, and all they did was flirt and share a kiss. Means nothing really, and since she can't come back, it's easier to look back those three years and go, "Oh, well there's my first crush." I think they can still save Caspian and RD's relationship.

[Liz]

The Susan/Caspian crush in CP was ok for me. And the kiss at the end as well. Susan is not coming back to Narnia, and that's it. She doesn't even come back in the LB.
So that slight teenage crush doesn't change anything for me, when it comes to the real romance between Caspian and Ramandu's Daughter.

How should it be developed?!
Well, I think there should be a scene with only the two of them before Caspian leaves the island. Will give a sense of a growing relationship between them. Just some kind of conversation, no romance until he returns.
While he's away the film could give some hints about him thinking of her and perhaps vice versa. In my view this romance has to be expanded a little bit more in the film than it is in the book.
I hope for a glimpse of a wedding at the end.

[Cris_DanRadcliffe]

It could be more perfect if Ramandu's daughter will be ME:rolleyes: La la la...

[faithfulpurelight]

*shrugs* I like how it was in the book. It was love at first sight type stuff, and Im afraid that a lot of it could become involved around the romance.

Besides....Caspian does nothing for me. British much better

[Aslan's Child_1996]

Not to be too blunt here, but:

YUCK!


The entire beauty of Ramandu's daughter was her mystery, and the fact that she dwelt at the beginning of the end of the world. To have her present throughout the voyage would change everything. I think they should leave it as it is.

I agree with this. They would totally mess it up if they did that to the movie!

[Benisse]

...Your suppossed to give a general summary of how you would do the romance....
This is the place to share ideas on how you would develop it.

In the creation story in Magician's Nephew the stars sing along with Aslan after he sings them into being, so I imagine their singing voices must be full of harmonics like the Northern Lights. Perhaps Ramandu's daughter could herself be a star watching Caspian's progress with growing interest from the heavens and somehow help along the way? Or maybe Caspian can hear her voice singing at various points during the voyage to bring hope and strength, and then when they get to the island he can behold her singing as she approaches and realize this is the singer behind the song he has been strengthened by throughout his travels?

just a suggestion

[isforwinners]

Hmm, this is nessesarily something about DOR/Capian.

But is anyone else concerned about the lack of females aboard the DT?

I mean, yes it works well in the books (Lucy, being the only majorly contributing Female character) but with the movie? I mean, unless DOR gets a larger part in the film, it's basically going to be Caspian,Edmund Eustace and Co. v. Lucy :confused:

Which, I personally think might Allienate the female audience in a way :S I don't know about you guys but I would feel (being of the female sub-species) a bit let down - not to degrade Georgie Henley's acting ability in anyway - so I was thinking perhaps the DT crew could have a female stow away???

Perhaps she sneaks aboard dressed as a boy in place of a family member or something - maybe searching for adventure and the like, or perhaps one of the minor crew members gender could change (or is this too much of a radical change - I don't know I'm not a narnia purist or anything, It wouldn't personally bother me).

And also I think if there's Any major romance in the Movie it should go to Edmund, I mean at least it would give Skandar keynes something to actually *do* during the movie.

Because of the Susan/Caspian thing in PC (which I though was beautifully done and so cute) but I think it would confuse the audience who haven't actually read the books if Caspian were to have another large romance -at the same time if DT didn't have some sort of romantic forshadowing between caspian and DOR it would totally contradic the book..

Thoughts???

[PrinceOfTheWest]

I think twisting an established classic story in order to avoid "alienating" theoretical female viewers is a very stupid idea. Where is it written that not having a certain quota of females (or males, or horses, or leprechauns) makes a story inadequate?

The story has been loved and read by boys and girls, men and women, for half a century. The fact that the characters were mainly men doesn't seem to have disturbed anyone. There's no sensible reason to mess with success, and go rewriting the story to appeal to perceived parties who probably aren't even paying attention.

This is not to say that the movie makers won't think this way. In fact, if Caspian is any indication, they will - thereby destroying the story and probably the entire Narnia film franchise. But if they can't learn their lesson, then it deserves to fail.

Classics are classics for a reason. If the filmmakers stick with the story as written, they'll have the loyalty of millions of lovers of Narnia. If they adulterate it in the name of cultural sensitivity and inclusiveness, they'll alienate them and destroy the story.

[Into the Wardrobe]

Agreed POTW, and in addition to that I hardly think that the female audience will be let down at all. Most of the younger gals want to see more of the guys running around anyway so they can swoon. I'm a bit old for that, but I know the teen gals seem to be happy enough with the guys.

[Animus Wyrmis]

There's no way they could make that work without making her a major character, I feel. I think if they're worried about having two women in the cast, the best thing to do would be to just throw some women into the crew and onto the islands and not worry about it much. (Though I am always confused about why Lucy doesn't pick up a maid somewhere along the way--you'd think someone would want it there for propriety's sake.) It seems like it's too much to go around adding another major girl in--where on earth would she fit?

If there is another romance I am sure it will involve Lucy, as the only girl around for most of it. Throwing a romance with Edmund up would involve finding another girl, which would be a pain. OTOH, apparently Stephenie Meyer is going to help write the script, so maybe Edmund will imprint on the Sea Girl and Caspian will turn into a werewolf. :P

[PrinceOfTheWest]

You wouldn't have women in the crew - women don't crew ships.

[Aravis Kenobi]

Agreed POTW, and in addition to that I hardly think that the female audience will be let down at all. Most of the younger gals want to see more of the guys running around anyway so they can swoon. I'm a bit old for that, but I know the teen gals seem to be happy enough with the guys.

LOL!!!! That's so true, you know? But depending on who they get as Ramandu's Daughter, the guys just might sit up and take notice... ;)

btw, has there been ANY kind of news on casting for her?

[isforwinners]

You wouldn't have women in the crew - women don't crew ships.

Says who???

Personally I would like to see another strong female character in the movie - as previously stated It wouldn't bother me if this was DOR or a completely OC character.

I mean I didn't particularly mind the changes in CP, nor did I feel they took away from the story in any way, but added too it instead.

But then I view the movies as almost completely independent of the books, :S

[Aravis Kenobi]

You wouldn't have women in the crew - women don't crew ships.

There were female pirates, but there were no women on the crew of Dawn Treader, so it'd be better if there were no women on the crew. That would be weird anyways.

[XxlovemexX]

hey wats up?

[Animus Wyrmis]

They didn't on most European naval or merchant sailing ships, no. What customarily happens in Narnia is anyone's guess; the crew is specified to be made up of men on VDT, but what that means about any Narnian crew is unknown (since these would be mainly Telmarines and people from Galma), and we've no information on the Golden Age. If it's something the producers are worried about--and I rather doubt it is--then adding them to the crew (or to some of the islands, I suppose) is an easy way to increase the number of women without shoehorning them into the plot. I'm mostly a book purist, but I'm going to say right now that I would much rather have that than have them give Edmund a girlfriend or introduce Ramandu's Daughter at the slave auction or whatever.

[PrinceOfTheWest]

Says who???Says history. Women sailors were essentially unknown.

Personally I would like to see another strong female character in the movie - as previously stated It wouldn't bother me if this was DOR or a completely OC character.

I mean I didn't particularly mind the changes in CP, nor did I feel they took away from the story in any way, but added too it instead.

But then I view the movies as almost completely independent of the books, :SMaybe folk like you should go off and write your own stories as you like, rather than trying to take classic, well-loved tales and twist them around to your preferences.

[Aravis Kenobi]

They didn't on most European naval or merchant sailing ships, no. What customarily happens in Narnia is anyone's guess; the crew is specified to be made up of men on VDT, but what that means about any Narnian crew is unknown (since these would be mainly Telmarines and people from Galma), and we've no information on the Golden Age. If it's something the producers are worried about--and I rather doubt it is--then adding them to the crew (or to some of the islands, I suppose) is an easy way to increase the number of women without shoehorning them into the plot. I'm mostly a book purist, but I'm going to say right now that I would much rather have that than have them give Edmund a girlfriend or introduce Ramandu's Daughter at the slave auction or whatever.

Edmund having a girlfriend? that's just pointless. I can hear Lewis rolling over in his grave if that happened.

I don't look for them to put any women on the crew...unless it's to pacifiy the feminists.

[Into the Wardrobe]

Says history. Women sailors were essentially unknown.

Maybe folk like you should go off and write your own stories as you like, rather than trying to take classic, well-loved tales and twist them around to your preferences.

That is the kicker there my friend. You've hit the nail on the head. People who love the Narnia stories will want to see the Narnian stories as close to the way Lewis wrote them as possible. People who don't care about the real stories can go write their own as Lewis often suggested to people...but mangling and tearing apart his stories was always out of the question. Classics should not be ruined. Lewis fans will not be as forgiving as many other fans of other books and authors.

Anyone with an ounce of knowledge about Lewis fans will know that if they don't stick to the books then the franchise will be done. It's that basic. I went to a seminary event last night and brought up the Narnia movies and was met with more hostility toward the the films than I thought possible. And I thought I was a stickler for them following the books. The people at the event were Lewis lovers and were quite angry. I knew this would likely be the case but not to that extent.

They should put in the Ramandu daughter and Caspian relationship at the end. There's no need to embellish the stories any further really. Prince Caspian did not do well and VDT is not the time to take risks. They have to stick to the books. Or they will be done. It's that simple.

[Sir Godfrey]

I agree with Into Wardrobe, stick to the formula of the books, stick to the stories. I have recently boycotted PC the movie as atrocious trash or in kinder terms rubbish. The LWW is the only one that stands as worthy installment. If they do not return to the foundations, they are finished.

[Aravis Kenobi]

My only request for the fans is to wait until the film's released before you judge. I think it's unfair for us as fans to judge a film based on hearsay, rumors, and trailers. I try to do that with any film I see, especially if it's a book adaption. I knew the Love Comes Softly films, after the first two, would be atrocious in terms of how they adapted the books (I'm still sore over that) but I saw them anyways. Needless to say, I hate 3-6, and like 7 and 8, even if they divert from the books; I think that 7 and 8 are great movies but not deserving of the title they bear.

VDT should be a straight-forward adaption; I don't see much need for expanding the story, except perhaps in terms of the love story, because for it to make sense to non-book readers, they may not understand what's in the book. But they wouldn't really even have to expand the love story much...

[MrBob]

isforwinners, women on board ships in the olden times were either in control (queens or captains), wives/family of crew, ferried from one place to another, or providing services to the crew (laundry, cooking, *ahem* adult services, etc). They were not crewmates in the sense of ship's operations. I don't see the filmmakers changing the role. They didn't add females to the battle scenes in the first two movies.

I don't see the need to add women onboard the Dawn Treader nor do I want RD to come aboard in any way other than at the end. Adding females where they don't need to be would just add confusion. After all, why else would Caspian give Lucy her own cabin if there are other women onboard?

MrBob

[Animus Wyrmis]

Edmund having a girlfriend? that's just pointless. I can hear Lewis rolling over in his grave if that happened.

Suggested upthread somewhere. I don't think I could watch it without laughing hysterically, but there you are. ::shrugs::

Won't they have to do something about Caspian's character arc? In the books Caspian grows up so that by VDT he's gained self-confidence to rule well and goes a bit overboard sometimes with the Edmund/Caspian rivalry thing ("I'm the king!" "So am I!"), but if those conflicts get put on the screen verbatim it's going to look like Caspian hasn't learned anything. We already saw him have a power struggle with a King of Old. ::frowns::

To be fair, a lot of books don't translate perfectly into movies without some sort of change--time constraints work against filmmakers, and so do the strengths of movies verses books. But I would think this would change formats fairly well? Unless there are problems with the PC film changing how the events from VDT look?

[Aravis Kenobi]

I don't recall any kind of conflict between caspian and Edmund. Edmund is not like Peter; I doubt he would try to cause trouble when he really didn't cause trouble in PC. He never once said anything about Caspian's right to the throne, so why should there be a conflict? Besides, the kids are coming onto the Dawn Treader almost in the middle of a voyage, so they would have no business telling anyone what to do about anything.

[Animus Wyrmis]

There's that whole bit on Deathwater Island where they argue about who outranks the other, and again when Caspian wants to go on to the end of the world. In the first they're sort of enchanted, but in the second Caspian's just being a kid. They work quite well in the book, but I worry that in the movie it'll come across as Peter/Caspian all over again, although worse because Edmund is so reasonable.

[KathrynJanewayChakotay]

I just hope Vodt is really good its my second favorite after Caspian i just hope they don't expound on the Edmund Caspian conflict on death water i am not going to past judgement until i see the movie. And that they develop the remandus daughter and CAspian romance and keep it tasteful Bokos are always better then the movies I think lww was perfect caspian i am still a little iffy about it Vody hopefully fox will keep it tasteful and kepe it family orinated.

[Aravis Kenobi]

There's that whole bit on Deathwater Island where they argue about who outranks the other, and again when Caspian wants to go on to the end of the world. In the first they're sort of enchanted, but in the second Caspian's just being a kid. They work quite well in the book, but I worry that in the movie it'll come across as Peter/Caspian all over again, although worse because Edmund is so reasonable.

Don't forget that they can always leave the arguing out. It's really not all that necessary to the film anyways.

[isforwinners]

Says history. Women sailors were essentially unknown.

Maybe folk like you should go off and write your own stories as you like, rather than trying to take classic, well-loved tales and twist them around to your preferences.

Perhaps some 'folk' could be more open to suggestions, while also keeping in mind that the films are an artistic interpretation of the books rather than just a carbon copy - only filmed.

Furthermore, there are several instances of women pirates or sailors such as
Anne Bony or Mary Read, Anne Bonny was an Irish women from the 18th century - who married a small time pirate, she spent more of her life dressed as a man to begin her own life of piracy. I'm sure more information could be found if you googled her.;)

Also sorry this is so far behind the original post - Life got in the way of my internet time.

[Aravis Kenobi]

Yeah, but (and I can't believe I'm saying this) I would prefer if they stuck with the book; as I've said before, it should be an easy, straight-forward adaption; Caspian on the other hand was more difficult in terms of film (prepares for assault with tomatoes). But if they divert anymore from the books, then the franchise is done (as Into the Wardrobe has said). The only type of expanding I would be fine with is in terms of the love story. Which is the topic, btw. ;) I wouldn't mind them expanding it just enough to make it a little more filmable and make it understandable for those who haven't read the book.

[isforwinners]

Yeah, but (and I can't believe I'm saying this) I would prefer if they stuck with the book; as I've said before, it should be an easy, straight-forward adaption; Caspian on the other hand was more difficult in terms of film (prepares for assault with tomatoes). But if they divert anymore from the books, then the franchise is done (as Into the Wardrobe has said). The only type of expanding I would be fine with is in terms of the love story. Which is the topic, btw. ;) I wouldn't mind them expanding it just enough to make it a little more filmable and make it understandable for those who haven't read the book.

Haha, good point the rotten tomatoes thing.

Personally I don't think if they deviate from the books it will really hurt the franchise, For me seeing PC movie Inspired me to read the books again as I hadn't done so in a long time. I think perhaps they movies make the book more known to an audience who has been brought up reading the Twilight/HarryP etc. series and might not know about the Chronicles of Narnia. ??

[Aravis Kenobi]

The non-book fans had no problem with PC...as far as I know. But, unfortunately, PC didn't meet with the same success as LWW. LWW was the #2 film of 2005, surpassing even HP. (of which I was very happy. ;) ) Several reasons why LWW was so successful:

1. Good publicity-Disney\Walden Media handled publicity for LWW well; there was a lot of advertising for the movie, along with much merchandise available everywhere, AND they pushed a film version of the book. (i.e. they released books with pictures from the movie)

2. Resources-I'm not sure who did, but there was a website (narniaresources.com) that offered resource packages for church groups and secular groups; the packages included posters, a dvd with trailers and clips, and announcement brochures.

3. Church viewings-many churches showed the trailer(s) in their services in an effort to get a group interested in going. Many church groups went to see the movie in theaters because of the Christian message(s).

4. Last, the film followed the book fairly closely without being word-for-word and boring. The effects helped too.

now, the reasons PC didn't do as well:

1. Little publicity-I hardly saw any good merchandise for PC. What little I did see was moved to a obscure corner of a store two or three weeks later. I just didn't see an outpouring of merchandise or advertising for PC.

2. No resources-the resource site was discontinued. So, there were no resources available for groups interested in taking people to see it. I also think that since it was a little more adult, churches didn't feel like the message wasn't as Christian or that they couldn't take younger kids to see it.

3. Movie competition-Nobody knew Iron Man would do so well. Caspian was released after Iron man and before Indy 4. Mistake. They shouldn't have released it after Indy 4, but instead should have given the film time to run out of steam before releasing it. It may have meant a longer wait, or even a holiday release. But I daresay a holiday release would have been better.

4. Negative fans. While I see why people were upset with the changes of PC, they had no right to be critical and negative when the film hadn't been released yet. They were determined not to see it based on clips and trailers and rumors. For all they knew, all those rumors and clips could have been teasers (they weren't). I agreed with the changes...yeah maybe they could have stuck with the book a little more, but they didn't, so we need to understand that, accept it and get over it. It's already been done so we just need to drop it.

Give michael Apted and his team a chance. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt because they haven't made a Narnia movie yet.

But as I've said before, we're getting way off topic here. The subject is how to develop the romance of Caspian and Ramandu's Daughter without diverting too much from the book.

[Animus Wyrmis]

Keep in mind that LWW was based on a book that most people remember from childhood regardless of whether they knew it was a series; it was marketed as a kids'/family film (as opposed to PC, which was marketed to teens) as a holiday release, when it could easily overtake the market. It would have been difficult to beat that for PC anyway, even if they'd released it at a better time, focused more on the kids, and tried to market it as a Narnia film--the posters made a lot of people assume it was a totally new story with new characters and inappropriate for children.

But, uh, so we are off topic. Would you rather see a wedding, or have the film end before it gets there?

[Aravis Kenobi]

I would prefer a wedding, if not for closure and finality. The only problem, for me, is when to have it. I mean, do they end the film with the wedding or do they end the film with the kids??? Because, sailing takes time. It would be ridiculous to think that the wedding could take place (back in Narnia most likely) while the kids were still on that island with the Lamb\Aslan.

Or, they could have the wedding on Ramandu's Island, which could possibly be done within a reasonable timeframe.

[Animus Wyrmis]

Maybe end the film with the kids tumbling back out of the portrait (with whatever "What adventures we've had!"/"How changed Eustace is!"/"I left my diary in Narnia!" moments), and then roll credits, and then have one of those scenes after the credits for the ship returning to Narnia and RD and Caspian getting married?

[Aravis Kenobi]

Oh yeah, I didn't think about adding scenes after the credits...much like LWW.

[isforwinners]

Maybe end the film with the kids tumbling back out of the portrait (with whatever "What adventures we've had!"/"How changed Eustace is!"/"I left my diary in Narnia!" moments), and then roll credits, and then have one of those scenes after the credits for the ship returning to Narnia and RD and Caspian getting married?

haha, good Idea - I loved that little extra scene in the LWW.

Didn't they do that 'I left my Torch/Diary back in Narnia' in PC? Oh well, with the wedding thing - don't you think Caspian should be aged up a bit or something?? I don't know, perhaps it might take place a few years after the kids leave or something - not sure how they'd (meaning the Directors&co) do that, but then it's what they get paid for I suppose.

[Aravis Kenobi]

in Narnian time, Dawn Treader takes place 3 years after PC; in English time, only 1. caspian would be slightly older; probably be wiser since he's been king for 3 years. The big age thing will come in handy in Silver Chair, if they end up making it.

[Into the Wardrobe]

The non-book fans had no problem with PC...as far as I know. But, unfortunately, PC didn't meet with the same success as LWW. LWW was the #2 film of 2005, surpassing even HP. (of which I was very happy. ;) ) Several reasons why LWW was so successful:

1. Good publicity-Disney\Walden Media handled publicity for LWW well; there was a lot of advertising for the movie, along with much merchandise available everywhere, AND they pushed a film version of the book. (i.e. they released books with pictures from the movie)

2. Resources-I'm not sure who did, but there was a website (narniaresources.com) that offered resource packages for church groups and secular groups; the packages included posters, a dvd with trailers and clips, and announcement brochures.

3. Church viewings-many churches showed the trailer(s) in their services in an effort to get a group interested in going. Many church groups went to see the movie in theaters because of the Christian message(s).

4. Last, the film followed the book fairly closely without being word-for-word and boring. The effects helped too.

Yes! I agree that this is the case! Disney tanked that second film in not allowing the fan promotion. They gave the fans a stake in everything with LWW in letting them promote the films and then tried to rip that away in PC....bad move! The Narnia Resource site was part of what helped LWW get the numbers it did.
now, the reasons PC didn't do as well:

1. Little publicity-I hardly saw any good merchandise for PC. What little I did see was moved to a obscure corner of a store two or three weeks later. I just didn't see an outpouring of merchandise or advertising for PC.

2. No resources-the resource site was discontinued. So, there were no resources available for groups interested in taking people to see it. I also think that since it was a little more adult, churches didn't feel like the message wasn't as Christian or that they couldn't take younger kids to see it.

3. Movie competition-Nobody knew Iron Man would do so well. Caspian was released after Iron man and before Indy 4. Mistake. They shouldn't have released it after Indy 4, but instead should have given the film time to run out of steam before releasing it. It may have meant a longer wait, or even a holiday release. But I daresay a holiday release would have been better.

4. Negative fans. While I see why people were upset with the changes of PC, they had no right to be critical and negative when the film hadn't been released yet. They were determined not to see it based on clips and trailers and rumors. For all they knew, all those rumors and clips could have been teasers (they weren't). I agreed with the changes...yeah maybe they could have stuck with the book a little more, but they didn't, so we need to understand that, accept it and get over it. It's already been done so we just need to drop it.

Give michael Apted and his team a chance. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt because they haven't made a Narnia movie yet.

But as I've said before, we're getting way off topic here. The subject is how to develop the romance of Caspian and Ramandu's Daughter without diverting too much from the book.

I'd agree with you up till number 4. On number 4 you have the blame in the wrong place by a long shot! It was the franchise that changed the story and made several characters virtually unrecognizable. They defaced the story. So then you want fans to accept that? Fat chance! That's not negativity that is common sense! When someone takes your favorite story and mutilates it, one is not expected to accept that, nor should they. The fans can't change it, but they can and they have let the franchise know that they better do better next time. Otherwise the fans will shut them down. It's pretty basic. What they saw in the trailers was what was in the film. It greatly upset people and rightly so. Negativity did not kill the film. The franchise messed up. It messed up big time. The problem was with the film and not the fans. Most Lewis fans don't downshift that fast. You can't put something that badly "adapted" (and I use the term very loosly) in front of fans of the classic book and expect them to not be upset. It would be like sticking moldy pizza in front of a kid and telling them to eat it and not complain. The kid would look at ya and say the same thing....As If!
Yes they have a little room to develop the Ramandu Daughter/ Caspian relationship. They could do the wedding back by Aslan's table. It would make for a fitting end I think.

[Aravis Kenobi]

Yeah, but negativity before the film's release? There was no way to know what was really in the movie. Often, a trailer will contain many scenes that end up not being in the movie. AND, they were basing their opinions off other people. Personally, people should see it, with a neutral attitude, THEN judge.

Otherwise, no film can do well. Or do anything at all if people judge before seeing it and knowing for sure. It's like with the new Star Trek movie; people are screaming that it's not like TOS, that it's too futuristic. But most people I've spoken to (who are Trekkers, btw) have said that it's a great movie. And even if it's not, I'm not going to be yelling because it looks to be a great film regardless of the Trek content or how they mess up the characters. Personally, the Narnia fans should do the same. Yes, there were changes that made people angry; but they're films. They're books. Sheesh. Get past the changes and look at the film from an objective POV. But I feel like everythign I say falls on deaf ears, so I quit now.

I still like the idea of doing an extra scene at the end of the credits or where they put the extra one with LWW. Although, I nearly walked out before I saw that scene with LWW...so now I make my parents sit through the credits. lol.

[Liz]

Keep in mind that LWW was based on a book that most people remember from childhood regardless of whether they knew it was a series; it was marketed as a kids'/family film (as opposed to PC, which was marketed to teens) as a holiday release, when it could easily overtake the market. It would have been difficult to beat that for PC anyway, even if they'd released it at a better time, focused more on the kids, and tried to market it as a Narnia film--the posters made a lot of people assume it was a totally new story with new characters and inappropriate for children.

But, uh, so we are off topic. Would you rather see a wedding, or have the film end before it gets there?

I agree about the posters. They should have shown the Pevensies much more, because those characters we knew from the first film.
I'm certain, though, that PC would have done better, if it had been released in - say - November. But still it did pretty well!!
About the wedding - I would prefer a wedding at the end. If it should be the final scene, I'm not sure. We'll have to wait and see ;)

[MrBob]

"Would you rather see a wedding, or have the film end before it gets there?"

Animus, I would like to see a scene, maybe during the beginning of the credits, where they show Caspian going back to the island. He and RD kiss, the camera closes in and then when the **** widens, they ar now at Cair Paravel, both kissing during their wedding.

I am not sure that would work before Lucy, Edmund, and Eustace go back to England--and that would be the best place to end the movie before the credits.

MrBob

[Liz]

"Would you rather see a wedding, or have the film end before it gets there?"

Animus, I would like to see a scene, maybe during the beginning of the credits, where they show Caspian going back to the island. He and RD kiss, the camera closes in and then when the **** widens, they ar now at Cair Paravel, both kissing during their wedding.

I am not sure that would work before Lucy, Edmund, and Eustace go back to England--and that would be the best place to end the movie before the credits.

MrBob

Mr. bob, your idea with the kiss is actually very good. Then we would have both their first kiss on the island and a glimpse of the wedding in one short scene. Send it to the scriptwriters :)
But I would like to have that scene before the children return to England. Their return should be the last thing we see in the film, in my opinion. I think it would work, if it's cleverly made ;)

[Aravis Kenobi]

"Would you rather see a wedding, or have the film end before it gets there?"

Animus, I would like to see a scene, maybe during the beginning of the credits, where they show Caspian going back to the island. He and RD kiss, the camera closes in and then when the **** widens, they ar now at Cair Paravel, both kissing during their wedding.

I am not sure that would work before Lucy, Edmund, and Eustace go back to England--and that would be the best place to end the movie before the credits.

MrBob

That's my idea about the kiss too! :eek: That would be a good transition.

For the record, I will say that you shouldn't judge any film by its cover, especially one adapted from a book. The new Trek movie, there was a clip in the trailer that everyone was worried about (Kirk, then it cutting to Uhura stripping down) but in reality, there was nothing to be worried about! I'm harking on this, I know, but please, don't make any judgements about VDT. I'm sure it will be a good movie, and I have faith that Apted will do the story right. ;) And who knows, maybe they'll go on sites like this and read what the fans expect or want?

Of course, I guess if they did do it right after the Kids go back through the picture, they could say that it was the difference in time that allowed Caspian, RD, and the crew to return to Narnia. :p And I think that they should change up the ending a little...I know it's supposed to focus on the kids more, but we've had two films that have ended with the kids. It's going to get a little old by VDT.

[isforwinners]

[QUOTE=Aravis Kenobi;1832364]That's my idea about the kiss too! :eek: That would be a good transition.

For the record, I will say that you shouldn't judge any film by its cover, especially one adapted from a book. The new Trek movie, there was a clip in the trailer that everyone was worried about (Kirk, then it cutting to Uhura stripping down) but in reality, there was nothing to be worried about! I'm harking on this, I know, but please, don't make any judgements about VDT. I'm sure it will be a good movie, and I have faith that Apted will do the story right. ;) And who knows, maybe they'll go on sites like this and read what the fans expect or want?
[QUOTE]

Here here!!!

I've loved all the books and Movies so far - here's hoping that VDT will keep to the trend.

[MrBob]

First, the **** in my message is supposed to be the word "shot." My guess is that I hit the 'i' instead of the 'o'. Oops! :o

As for my idea for the kiss, while I would really prefer it to come before the kids make it back, I can't see how it would work. It would require going from present to future to present again. That kind of jumping around is not good for the movie.

At the same time, I want the movie to end at Eustace's house--prefereably with a comment about how Lucy has lost her shoes as I have mentioned elsewhere. The wedding scene doesn't seem good anywhere except for a credit scene. But then that also has its own problems as being somewhat separated from the movie.

MrBob

[Aravis Kenobi]

I'm sure the producers will think of something...they probably have thought of something that we have no idea about, lol. (and I figured you meant shot, but you accidentally had the i. Happens to everybody. :) )

[Liz]

Yes, we'll have to wait and see, how it's handled. :)
I still think the wedding shot would work,before the kids get back to England. Because it should only be a short scene. In my view, a glimpse of the wedding, no elaborated scene.
Too bad we'll have to wait so long for the film :(

[BarbarianKing]

I said it before but... why don't they use that Men in Black flashy thingy on all of us and make us forget that silly Caspian ever kissed Susan and develop the romance the way it's in the book? Wouldn't that be great? It would erase that crazy scene from PC from our heads and we will never find out.

In fact, why don't the moviemakers flashy-thinged themselves and we'll make them do a PC without the Suspian thing. That would be awesome!!!

[Liz]

I said it before but... why don't they use that Men in Black flashy thingy on all of us and make us forget that silly Caspian ever kissed Susan and develop the romance the way it's in the book? Wouldn't that be great? It would erase that crazy scene from PC from our heads and we will never find out.

In fact, why don't the moviemakers flashy-thinged themselves and we'll make them do a PC without the Suspian thing. That would be awesome!!!

The Suspian thing, as you call it, doesn't bother me at all. A sweet, innocent teenage crush, in my view. And don't worry. I don't expect you to ever agree with me, on this subject anyway :D
I look forward to seeing, how they'll develop the romance in VofDT. Hope for something good :cool:

[Aravis Kenobi]

The Suspian thing, as you call it, doesn't bother me at all. A sweet, innocent teenage crush, in my view. And don't worry. I don't expect you to ever agree with me, on this subject anyway :D
I look forward to seeing, how they'll develop the romance in VofDT. Hope for something good :cool:

I agree with you...

and unfortunately time-traveling doesn't exist. :p

[Liz]

I agree with you...

and unfortunately time-traveling doesn't exist. :p

:) Would be great to take a look in that script!
But I'm afraid that's almost as impossible as time-travelling :cool:

[Aravis Kenobi]

That's true...though I'm sure leaked versions of the script will get released soon...I wouldn't worry over any script released right now though.

[SimonW]

I just think there might be a slight montage of Caspian marrying her.
I seriously do not know.

But it is obvious they will keep the hint of Aslan being Jesus in there. They remain true to the books, in a somewhat haphazard way. So, it is all good.

I recommend people to stop fussing over it all and wait for the movie. It is the best thing to do. Of course you can speculate, I just don't like to see people get all bothered by something that has yet to be made.

[Liz]

That's true...though I'm sure leaked versions of the script will get released soon...I wouldn't worry over any script released right now though.

I agree. :cool: The film won't be out until December next year anyway :(
That's the worst bit.

[Aravis Kenobi]

I just think there might be a slight montage of Caspian marrying her.
I seriously do not know.

But it is obvious they will keep the hint of Aslan being Jesus in there. They remain true to the books, in a somewhat haphazard way. So, it is all good.

I recommend people to stop fussing over it all and wait for the movie. It is the best thing to do. Of course you can speculate, I just don't like to see people get all bothered by something that has yet to be made.

AMEN! Finally, someone else to echo my sentiments exactly. The film hasn't been released, the script not finalized, and a trailer not done, so IMO, we should just be quiet about griping about it. ;)

[Alambil and Tarvis]

I can't wait to see how they do the whole movie (although I'm quite a sucker for the romantic...:rolleyes: ;) ) but I just hate having to wait for a whole year and a half...:(

[BarbarianKing]

I know some people are not bothered by Hollywood making indiscriminate changes to great stories... and never failing to ruin them.:(

[Alambil and Tarvis]

I know some people are not bothered by Hollywood making indiscriminate changes to great stories... and never failing to ruin them.:(

Like...um...*cough*HARRY POTTER!!!!!!!*cough* Actually, the problem with those films is that they take out way too much...I mean, I KNOW they have to cut out stuff due to time, but the stuff they cut out is too important to be cut out, and then the stuff they leave is just really minor elements that don't need to be there...and WHAT happened to Dobby?! AGH! :mad:
*off-topic muttering*

ANYWAY, I really hope something like that doesn't happen to VDT...especially on the romance end...I highly doubt someone of Michael Apted's caliber would allow anything cheesy, though :rolleyes:

[Liz]

Whatever views we have on the Susan/Caspian crush in PC, let's look forward to the new film.
Everybody has a right to their own opinion, and to disagree with others. But opinions can be expressed in various ways. Writing disrespectfully makes discussions pointless!
So let's respect each other - and see what the new film brings. Being a romantic soul the only problem is to wait so long :cool:

[Alambil and Tarvis]

Being a romantic soul the only problem is to wait so long :cool:

AGHHHH I agree with you there :(

Oh, well. I still have fanfiction for the time being :D :rolleyes: There isn't enough Caspian/Ramandu's Daughter out there...

[BarbarianKing]

Who's being disrespectful to whom?:rolleyes:

[Liz]

AGHHHH I agree with you there :(

Oh, well. I still have fanfiction for the time being :D :rolleyes: There isn't enough Caspian/Ramandu's Daughter out there...

I agree! ;) Fingers crossed for a good romance in VotDT!

[XxlovemexX]

I need to know how to get my boyfriend to kiss me but im not sure if were ready. We have been dating for a week now. Should we kiss? Our not?

[Copperfox]

Although sometimes it does no harm to kiss that early, in these times I would lean to the side of caution. Therefore, without really knowing you or him, I'd say WAIT. See if he regards you as WORTH waiting for.



Go read Badger's new story "Swept Away" -- not only because it's touching and clever, but also because I was allowed to give input for the plot!

[Into the Wardrobe]

I need to know how to get my boyfriend to kiss me but im not sure if were ready. We have been dating for a week now. Should we kiss? Our not?

Let's keep this thread a bit more on topic. There's a chat thread called "So...Who's On Now" for this sort of personal thing. Let's keep that there and discuss the film stuff here. Thanks! Also, this is a family friendly site. If a 10 year old can't read about it, don't post it on here...tis the general rule. Thanks for sticking to it!

I'm hoping that the film will do the book justice. Lord willing it will be a film that Jack would approve of. I hope that the powers that be will keep that idea in mind. It would be sad to further anger most Lewis fans. They're a smart group of people who pay close attention to what is done. The Caspian/Ramandu's Daughter romance is in the book so they have some freedom there and obviously Ben is looking forward to that bit. We'll have to just wait and see what they come up with.

[Sven-El]

Actually on the subject of Ben, that's another area that can help a lot in terms of the romanee bewteen Caspian and R's daughter. They need to make sure there's the right amoung of chemistry between him and the actress who plays here. That's what made Will, Anna, Skander and Georgie so convincing as Peter, Susan, Edmund and Lucy in the first film, was the fact that they seemed like siblings. BEcasue even if they "stick to the book" in terms of writing, the audiecne won't be able to buy the romance if they can't buy the chemistry between the actors.

[BarbarianKing]

Let's keep this thread a bit more on topic. There's a chat thread called "So...Who's On Now" for this sort of personal thing. Let's keep that there and discuss the film stuff here. Thanks! Also, this is a family friendly site. If a 10 year old can't read about it, don't post it on here...tis the general rule. Thanks for sticking to it!


I think the new member thought this was a thread to "develop the romance" meaning any romance. I don't think she realized that this is the romance of PC and RD.

[Alambil and Tarvis]

Actually on the subject of Ben, that's another area that can help a lot in terms of the romanee bewteen Caspian and R's daughter. They need to make sure there's the right amoung of chemistry between him and the actress who plays here. That's what made Will, Anna, Skander and Georgie so convincing as Peter, Susan, Edmund and Lucy in the first film, was the fact that they seemed like siblings. BEcasue even if they "stick to the book" in terms of writing, the audiecne won't be able to buy the romance if they can't buy the chemistry between the actors.

I agree with that totally :)

[Aravis Kenobi]

That little bit about Ben hoping that Ramandu's Daughter is hot cracked me up. Let's hope they listen to him! ;) :p

[Alambil and Tarvis]

That little bit about Ben hoping that Ramandu's Daughter is hot cracked me up. Let's hope they listen to him! ;) :p

:eek: Wait, what?! When did he mention this? lol :p

[Aravis Kenobi]

It was on the Narniafans.com homepage; the article about the interview with Ben. ;)

[Alambil and Tarvis]

It was on the Narniafans.com homepage; the article about the interview with Ben. ;)

LOL!!! That WAS funny :p :p Haha. I hope they do listen to him. ROFL

[sqjj]

Well RD should be hot, so of course thats what Ben wants.

I think she should come in earlier in the film, so they could develop her love for Caspian on the ship. It would also set up Lucy's jealousy and desire to be beautiful.

And maybe they could have a little love triangle with Ramandu's Daughter, Caspian, and Edmund. That could make the tension between them greater during the Deathwater island scene.

Maybe they could get Drinian to fall in love with Lucy, if they make him a bit younger. That way she won't look like she's being left out.

[Alambil and Tarvis]

I dunno, that would be tweaking the original message of the story too much, like what they did by injecting the unnecessary romance b/t Caspian and Susan in PC. It distracts from the actual plotline and only provides for more angry fans. lol

[Sven-El]

Plus as to setting up Lucy's beauty, a lot of that has been established on the groudns of Susan in the book. IE , it mentions adutls considered her the prettier of the two, and when she's looking in the magician's book and sees the spell to make her beutiful, her picture is juxtaposed with that of Susan.
It's not about her and R's daughter, it's about her and her jealousy against her sister.

And her adn Drinian, that's just wrong. I always pictured Drinian as being older then even Caspian. (he'd kind of ahve to be to be a Captain. Unless he does the whole Star TRek reboot thing.)

[Aravis Kenobi]

Plus as to setting up Lucy's beauty, a lot of that has been established on the groudns of Susan in the book. IE , it mentions adutls considered her the prettier of the two, and when she's looking in the magician's book and sees the spell to make her beutiful, her picture is juxtaposed with that of Susan.
It's not about her and R's daughter, it's about her and her jealousy against her sister.

And her adn Drinian, that's just wrong. I always pictured Drinian as being older then even Caspian. (he'd kind of ahve to be to be a Captain. Unless he does the whole Star TRek reboot thing.)

Agreed. Lewis established that her jealousy was because of Susan, not R'sD. Plus, to put R'sD in earlier would mess up the story. The whole wonder of R's island is in part to his daughter. When she appears in the book, it's a jaw-drop-so-mesmerized kind of moment. The whole magic of that moment would be lost if they brought her in earlier. Not to mention, it wouldn't make sense and it would be hard to explain.

Yes, her and Drinian is just wrong. It also borders on being creepy. Drinian would have to be older than Caspian, simply because he seems to have more experience than the others. They should make him kind of like Cornelius. Maybe not as old, but as wise.

[Sven-El]

Also it would make no sense for Lucy to be jealous of someone who was clearly not human. It would be like Penelope in the Odyssey being jealous of Helen of Troy. One was human, the other was the daughter of Zeus. You cannot put Lucy on the same platform as R's daughter.

Exactly. The Caspian Susan stuff "works" as even in the books, they are a bit closer in age ( at least a year of two appart between them since he's Peter's age). I also pictured Drinian being more wise in the sense that he had seen a lot and done a lot in all his years at sea.

[Aravis Kenobi]

Agreed, again. :)

This is random, but I thought of it again when you said the thing about Caspian and Su's ages. Susan said that, "it would never have worked anyway...I am 1300 years older than you", but, that obviously wasn't a problem for Arwen and ARagorn; Arwen was AT least 2500 years older than Aragorn. If not older.

[Alambil and Tarvis]

Well, they should just steer clear of any more unnecessary romances, period. It already created enough chaos with that teeny scene in PC :p

[Animus Wyrmis]

Remember that Aragorn was a lot more mature than Caspian (I'm just saying).

Drinian, I feel, can't be terribly old--you wouldn't want someone too old to climb robes and handle things out in the middle of uncharted waters--but to make him young enough to be with Lucy...how much experience could he have? You don't want an inexperienced captain on that sort of voyage.

[Alambil and Tarvis]

I always imagined Drinian to be just a bit older than Caspian, but not too much older. Still, any romance involving him and Lucy would just be unnacceptable :S

[BarbarianKing]

Every time hollywood adds romance to a story that did not have it, they inevitably ruin it.

[Sven-El]

Not necissairly. Look at Lord of the Rings with Aragorn and Arwen... then again plenty of that was taken from the Appendicies, which is why Peter Jackson has earend so much of my respect with his adaptation. He didn't just poor over the text untill the pages of LOTR were falling out of the book, but he went through the Appendicies, the Silmarillion and Tolkien's notes on Middle earth to the point cast members said they couldn't even sneeze without bumping into a copy. Even the bits with Eowen and Aragorn were alluded to in the books.

Semi on topic, for Drinian to be as young Lucy, ( or at least young enough to be atrtached to her)he'd have to be a Cabin Boy...

Unless he's made "acting first office" by Captain Mike, while acting captain is a centaur, before Captian Mike is taken as a slave in the Lone Islands( where he dies), and in order to become captain, Drinian has to show that the centaur is emotionally compromsied. Then after the centaur relinquishes command, Edmund says: " Great, we got a ship and a crew but now captain and no first officer to replace him."
Drinian: Yes, we do."
( sits in Captain's chair.)

[Aravis Kenobi]

One of the many plotholes (although they're great) in the Star trek film is that Kirk shouldn't have even taken command. There IS a chain of command on every Federation vessel. It's like in our American government. When the President is assassinated or taken out of office, the office of presidency goes to the Vice President. Then if the VP is unable to fulfill his duties, it goes to the Speaker of the House, and so on. So, to address that, McCoy, Uhura, Chekov, or Sulu should have been able to have taken command in a lawful way. Abrams forgot about that chain of command (probably very similar to something in our military)

Like I said, a drinian\Lucy romance would be creepy, awkward, and uncomfortable. It's stupid to put something in to explain Lucy's jealousy when Lewis already had an explanation: Susan.

But yes, Jackson defended some of the A\A changes by saying that he combed through the extras of the books. I haven't ever read the Appendices, so I don't know what's in them, but if he says he went through them, I believe him. Besides, I don't care about how mature Caspian was (or wasn't). It was a dumb line if fans consider the age gap between Aragorn and Arwen when it wasn't a problem, more maturity or not.

[Josh]

Keep in mind that Aragorn and Arwen, while having a great age difference, physically look the same age.

[Aravis Kenobi]

That doesn't relate to the discussion, really.

[Animus Wyrmis]

Keep in mind that Aragorn and Arwen, while having a great age difference, physically look the same age.

I find it strange that this is something that somehow makes it all better. She was still an adult when he was born; how does the fact that they now look about the same help that? It's the same question I had for Twilight--sure, Edward looks seventeen, but no amount of looking is going to change the fact that he's old enough to be Bella's great-grandfather.

[Aravis Kenobi]

Yeah, I'd find it a little difficult, in this day and age, to get into a relationship with a guy who make look 20, but is actually 40. I mean, gross.

[MrBob]

No matter the "actual" ages, a relationship between what appears to be a young girl and an adult man (or the oppsite dyad) is always going to be weird at best. I have to say, however, that Natalie Babbit did a good job describing a crush between a ten-year-olod girl and a 17 (actually about 94)-year-old guy in her novel "Tuck Everlasting". What she did was make Winnie have a crush on Jesse while Jesse looked at Winnie as a possible wife in about eight years.

That said, the only way I see the filmmakers would give Lucy a romance would be to make Eustace a close family friend, but that would ruin his relationship with Jill.

Now if you want another relationship that I thought of, go soon to the silly ideas thread to see a really fun relationship for Lucy.

MrBob

[Sven-El]

@ Mr. Bob, A good pont about Tuck everlasting. Actually, I think it's been discussed here already, but it never really was specified how old R's daughter was suppsoed to be, I mean she is a star's daughter afterall, and we don't knwo what her mother was ( was her mother human? Was her mother a dryad? or maybe a niad?) and to expect her to be older then she looks isn't that unlikely.

I think that's what makes her so facinating is we do not fully know about her, or her origins past who her father was, who her husband was and who her son was.

But perhaps in relation to her, the less that is said about her, her full origins and her age, the better. Much like with Arargorn adn Arwen as it does ellimante the uncofmortabel factor of their ages, but it still puts in the aura of mystery that they need, which Caspian adn R's daughter need.

[Alambil and Tarvis]

@ Mr. Bob, A good pont about Tuck everlasting. Actually, I think it's been discussed here already, but it never really was specified how old R's daughter was suppsoed to be, I mean she is a star's daughter afterall, and we don't knwo what her mother was ( was her mother human? Was her mother a dryad? or maybe a niad?) and to expect her to be older then she looks isn't that unlikely.

I think that's what makes her so facinating is we do not fully know about her, or her origins past who her father was, who her husband was and who her son was.

But perhaps in relation to her, the less that is said about her, her full origins and her age, the better. Much like with Arargorn adn Arwen as it does ellimante the uncofmortabel factor of their ages, but it still puts in the aura of mystery that they need, which Caspian adn R's daughter need.

^agrees :)

But I think R's daughter is half-human...at least, that's what I figured, anyway. It says she's not really a star, but she's kinda human, so I thought she was half-human and half-star. I dunno :p

[Aravis Kenobi]

I think she's only part star because of what Lewis said in Silver chair, "It was said that she had the blood of a star ran through her veins" or something like that, and to me, it gave the indication that maybe she wasn't a full immortal.

[Alambil and Tarvis]

I don't remember. I just know that she isn't fully a star...

[DestinyLies]

Lucy having a relationship!? That would be interesting yet weird.

[Alambil and Tarvis]

Yeah, it would, but it only exists in fanfiction and should stay that way.

[stumpy1243]

I think that the best part of Narnia is that there isn't that much romance. I think thats important because it really reminds you that these characters are still mainly children. So, i don't know if to much romance is really needed. Things don't have to be overfull with romance. I think the whole adventure can make up for that part of the story. Sure we still need Ramandu's daughter, but i think they don't need to go all out.:):)

[Alambil and Tarvis]

I think that the best part of Narnia is that there isn't that much romance. I think thats important because it really reminds you that these characters are still mainly children. So, i don't know if to much romance is really needed. Things don't have to be overfull with romance. I think the whole adventure can make up for that part of the story. Sure we still need Ramandu's daughter, but i think they don't need to go all out.:):)

I agree with that :D

[Chisha92]

At this point I think they need to spend more time on this romance than in the book because of the Susan/ Caspian fling. I think some people some people will be quite upset if Caspian just abandons his previous feelings for Susan and ends up with someone the fans know nothing about. I think it's important for the viewers to like Caspian/ Ramandu's Daughter better than they liked Caspian/ Susan. We must also consider, this is Hollywood and in PC they did add a romance that wasn't even in the book so when there actually is a romance to make something of, I think they will spend more time on it.

As for how to develop it, I didn't read every previous post so I hope I'm not copying anyone (if I am please don't sue me lol), I do have an idea though it does stray from the book.
Caspian and Ramandu's Daughter meet on Ramandu's Island as they did in the book. There is an attraction but not the undignified puppy love sort. Then when they are choosing who can continue on their voyage to the world's end Ramandu's Daughter asks if they might consider allowing her to accompany them. She presents the idea that her services would be valuable, as she knows the eastern-most parts of the world better than any of the crew. (The real reason for her request is she wants to learn more about Caspian.) Caspian thinks this is a wonderful idea and says she can room with Lucy. (I think it would be good if Enmund and Lucy could befriend RD and give their approval of Caspian's moving on after the fling with Susan rather than the relationship causing any sort of friction between the Pevensies and Caspian.) While on the voyage Caspian and RD fall in love. Then they go back to Ramandu's Island, get married, go back to Narnia and then live happily ever after untill The Silver Chair.:D