Time in Narnia??

[.:BeautifulHope:.]

OK, so the time distance between LWW and PC was one year for the Pevensies and 1300 years for Narnia. But the time distance between PC and VDT is about one year, but in Narnia, Caspian has hardly aged at all... why is that??

[Lady of the Lion's Mane]

Because we never know what the time difference will be. There's no discernable pattern. :D Lewis made it that way on purpose. o_O

[MJDisneyDork]

yes..it explains it in a couple of books...there is no PATTERN...you never know what amount of time is going to pass by in narnia years as opposed to our years..isn't it thrilling!! i want to find a magical land like that....infact..i believe C.S. Lewis describes this in the first chapter of Prince Caspian

[MrBob]

Aslan only calls to the world of men when they are needed in Narnia. Sometimes it is 1,000 years, other times it is only a few years.

MrBob

[rains1313]

Lewis himself said that time was not definate. If I remember right he had the Professor explain that in LWW when Lucy first went.

[~Valiant]

I was wondering: Since there is no time pattern in Narnia, what WOULD happen if you were to die in Narnia when you were born on earth? What if the Pevensies, Jill, Eustace, Polly or Digory would've died? When you get back from Narnia no time has passed on Earth, so what if you never came back from Narnia?
I don't suppose it matters, but I'm curious. Sorry if this is not the right thread to post this question in.

[elsamere]

That is very interesting. Time would probably go forward in our world and the dead one's in Narnia would be presumed missing or dead in our world. But only if they all died from our world.

[~Valiant]

That is very interesting. Time would probably go forward in our world and the dead one's in Narnia would be presumed missing or dead in our world. But only if they all died from our world.

That would probably be what would happen, but it would still be strange, wouldn't it? Just having people disappear... Or what if only one of them died, say that Jill died, but Eustace comes back to Earth. So Eustace knows how she died, but to everyone else on Earth she's missing. It would be very weird.

[crazycigirl]

Personally I think that if C.S. Lewis wasn't using a concept, he didn't explore it. But if you did have two different worlds with two different times, it would be strange if they had any consistency with each other. As two separate worlds, they run on their own course and are not required to fulfill the requirements of another world. Which also made it handy for Lewis if he wanted Caspian to have another adventure(VDT), he could just say that this time only a year had passed where as from LWW to PC it was 1300 years. There would be no limit requiring when things had to happen. It also would make it more interesting for the reader to find out whether the next adventure would be three thousand or three years since the previous one.:)

As for the dieing idea, I think that if someone from earth had died in Narnia they would also be dead on earth, wherever they had been before coming to Narnia. Although they themselves would go to Aslan's Country, their earthly bodies would be still on earth. But as I said, I think that if C.S. Lewis wasn't using a concept, he didn't explore it. So since it wasn't in the story line to have someone on earth die in Narnia it wasn't made clear exactly what would happen. Although they would no doubt be ultimately dead, no matter which world they died in.:p Good question though.:)

[iminlovewithedwardcullen]

I think that the wold dieing in Narnia would be like the Dr Who episode with the rift and rose just disappearing,

She was just put on missing lists and stuff so she was never found but people did know wear she was just could say

Do you see what I'm saying??

[BarbarianKing]

OK, so the time distance between LWW and PC was one year for the Pevensies and 1300 years for Narnia. But the time distance between PC and VDT is about one year, but in Narnia, Caspian has hardly aged at all... why is that??
well, others already explained it, there is no pattern, you can never know what amount of time has passed UNTIL you get there.

I think that the wold dieing in Narnia would be like the Dr Who episode with the rift and rose just disappearing,

She was just put on missing lists and stuff so she was never found but people did know wear she was just could say

Do you see what I'm saying??
Yes, that is probably how it would be.

[MrBob]

"As for the dieing idea, I think that if someone from earth had died in Narnia they would also be dead on earth, wherever they had been before coming to Narnia. Although they themselves would go to Aslan's Country, their earthly bodies would be still on earth"

crazycigirl, about 14 people (6 pirates, 6 wives, Frank, and Helen) all went from Earth to the world of Narnia and lived there until their death. The way I see it, their bodies stayed in Narnia. It requires a gateway provided by Aslan in order to get back to Earth from Narnia. Death is not a gateway so their bodies simply stay there.

I can just imagine after MN when Digory and Polly see in the newspaper of a couple who went missing. The police are called after neighbors notice that the dishes were stil in the water as if she had been washing them whenh she disappeared. And only two people knew where they went, but they could not tell anyone as no one would believe them.

MrBob

[crazycigirl]

Your right. I forgot about that.:)

[~Valiant]

Thanks for the ideas on the dying in Narnia question I had. Man, it really makes you think... ha ha.

Then again as kind of mentioned before, Jill and Eustace DID die in Narnia when they were thrown in the stable, but they'd already died on earth, so that was how it worked then.

I guess it doesn't matter, but it still makes me wonder.

[BarbarianKing]

Thanks for the ideas on the dying in Narnia question I had. Man, it really makes you think... ha ha.

Then again as kind of mentioned before, Jill and Eustace DID die in Narnia when they were thrown in the stable, but they'd already died on earth, so that was how it worked then.

I guess it doesn't matter, but it still makes me wonder.

I don't believe they died on earth. They were transported to Narnia from Earth so they actually disappeared from the train.

[~Valiant]

I don't believe they died on earth. They were transported to Narnia from Earth so they actually disappeared from the train.


I suppose that's possible. Do you mean, when you say they disappeared from the train, that their bodies weren't there, or their bodies were there, but they hadn't actually been hit: they were lifeless because they'd died in Narnia?

[Elentari]

I've always thought they physically disappeared. This concept was NOT followed in the BBC version of Prince Caspian, but it WAS followed in the other BBC versions and the 2 Walden movies and it is supported by the books. So, in The Last Battle Jill and Eustace physically disappear whereas the others die on Earth. Jill and Eustace die in Narnia, but since they would have died if they were still in London...It doesn't affect the story. The concept of what happens if you die in Narnia is discussed among the Pevensies several times and I do believe they come to the conclusion that "if you die here you die there", but they were just philosophizing. ;)

[MrBob]

"Jill and Eustace die in Narnia, but since they would have died if they were still in London...It doesn't affect the story."

Elentari, neither Jill nor Eustace died in Narnia. Eustace was described as struggling as he was thrown into the table and Jill was b eing dragged by her hair after Rishda ordered his men to "take the two-legged ones alive". In fact, no one who was tossed into the stable was dead. Emeth had to fight his own soldier, Tirian was still fighting Rishda, who was also alive until Tash took him. The dwarves were all alive and bound when they were tosed into the stable.

As I have explained here before, the way I see it is that the stable door represented the gateway out of Narnia that the Wardrobe door did in LWW, the gateway of sticks did in PC, and the doorway in the air in VotDT.

Eustace and Jill were taken to Narnia during the train crash. When they went through the stable door, they left Narnia, died on Earth, and appeared on the other side in their Real Narnia clothing. Their bodies were still on the train since no time takes place on Earth between arrival into Narnia and leaving Narnia. They went through the door, died on the train, and appeared with the other five Friends.

MrBob

[~Valiant]

Eustace and Jill were taken to Narnia during the train crash. When they went through the stable door, they left Narnia, died on Earth, and appeared on the other side in their Real Narnia clothing. Their bodies were still on the train since no time takes place on Earth between arrival into Narnia and leaving Narnia. They went through the door, died on the train, and appeared with the other five Friends.

MrBob


I think I understand now. That does explain it, I wasn't really asking whether or not they would die on earth, I was asking what would happen to their bodies.

Actually, here's another question: Wasn't Tash in the stable?

[MRW]

Yes, Tash was in the stable. He carried Rishda Tarkaan away.

Eustace and Jill were taken to Narnia during the train crash. When they went through the stable door, they left Narnia, died on Earth, and appeared on the other side in their Real Narnia clothing. Their bodies were still on the train since no time takes place on Earth between arrival into Narnia and leaving Narnia. They went through the door, died on the train, and appeared with the other five Friends.
The bodies of everyone but Eustace and Jill would be on the train, definitely. After all, they died on Earth, and their bodies have to be there for them to die. I always imagined they were just given new bodies in the Real Narnia. I'm less certain about Eustace and Jill, however. I always thought they were pulled into Narnia, mortal Narnia, before they died. After all, Narnia is merely a mortal world. Unless you're a spirit of some sort, you need a body. After all, once he gets to Aslan's Country (in the end of The Silver Chair), Caspian gets a new, younger body. He says that because he is dead, he would appear to be a ghost in Narnia or in our world because it is no longer his country. Eustace and Jill definitely aren't ghosts in The Last Battle. Maybe they were injured in the crash, but just didn't die instantly the way the others seemed to, and then once they got thrown through the stable door, Aslan gave them new bodies and let them die in our world. :confused:

Honestly, I don't think Lewis cared about all the particulars of what happens to the bodies when he wrote the books. I think he just wanted to have a happy ending and if they were to stay in Narnia they all had to be dead.

[Animus Wyrmis]

My personal opinion is that Frank and Helen and all the people that were pulled permanently into Narnia simply disappeared from home. (Can you imagine someone coming to tell Helen that her husband and his horse were gone and no one could find them? And finding her house unlocked--doors and windows perhaps open--soapy dishes still in the sink? What an interesting mystery!)

However, I think that if (say) Peter had died in Narnia fighting the giants, he would have been buried normally there and such--but when they all appeared back at the Professor's, Peter's body would show up with them, looking just as it had when they'd gone through, just...dead; his grave in Narnia would then be empty. I'm unsure why I think this; something to do with loose ends, maybe? Because an open death might have been easier all around? (I totally admit I have no direct evidence anywhere about this! :D)