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daughter_of_aslan

12-06-2005, 01:42 PM

who knows? \ME!!!

Maximos

12-06-2005, 01:50 PM

:p I should hope so since he is your father :p

rosymole

12-06-2005, 02:14 PM

Who do you think aslan is daughter-of-aslan?
All things to all people etc!

falco

12-09-2005, 08:38 PM

I think Aslan gave a "big" clue in the Last Battle. Disney/Hollywood does not like it but we know Aslan by Jesus Christ in this world.

rosymole

12-09-2005, 09:04 PM

That's what Lewis meant, and it's what we know, and why not I say!

But...if you're not a Christian and you read the books you may well get something else from them and the representation of Alsan. When I first read them I wasn't a Christian, and I saw Aslan as an embodiement of all that was good about human nature, I didn't need to put a label on him.

Smog

12-10-2005, 12:02 AM

Yeah, but I think Lewis makes it undeniably clear that Aslan is Jesus, although I've met some people who don't want to believe that and complain that Christians "export their morality and believes on books that have nothing to do with specific religion"...

peterlover

12-10-2005, 01:58 AM

i definatly see aslan as a christ figure. the whole rising again thing, taking edmund's place and the stone table being like the curtian that ripped, was it when jesus died or when he came back. well yeah, definatly christ like.

Eleanor Pevensie

12-10-2005, 03:48 PM

I am a Christian, and I have been recently rereading the Chronicles. I knew that they were an allegory, but I hadn't been that aware of it until I reread LWW and Horse and His Boy. At the end of the battle of LWW, Lucy tells Susan:

"Does he know," whispered Lucy to Susan, "what Aslan did for him? Does he know what his arrangement with the witch really was?"

She is referring to his death and resurrection. He was prepared to die so that Edmund could be spared. Also, in HHB, there is a chapter where Shasta is walking with Aslan but does not know it. Aslan talks to him, and comforts him, telling him about how he was always with him, just as God is always with us. And that makes me very happy!

Aslan the Wise one

12-10-2005, 04:20 PM

Will daughter_of_aslan you should know him the best since you are his daughter. ButI never knew I had and kids lol.??????

Mudpuddle

12-10-2005, 05:10 PM

Aslan, a sort of Lion King of Kings, is not a mere Christ figure. He is Christ. Lewis said so, calling Aslan a “supposal” of what might have happened if the Lion of Judah had come to another world.

http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20051202/1a_cover02.art.htm

peterlover92

12-10-2005, 09:33 PM

you know no one should joke around about jesus or the movie it gets me mad.
k? :D

Eleanor Pevensie

12-11-2005, 08:52 AM

I'm confused by your statement, peterlover92. Care to clarify what instance you are meaning?

candleman

12-11-2005, 02:21 PM

Sigh,
the lion is Jesus, the King of Kingsd and the Lord of Lords, He is the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, over whom death has no hold.
NarniaStory.com

QueenSakura

12-11-2005, 02:44 PM

I think he was human and then turned into a lion by the deep magic, or maybe he represents Jesus, uh help here who is Aslan?

the magnificent - so tru

12-11-2005, 03:20 PM

I agree he aint just christ-like but christ. like the queen is a devil of sorts. She sez all traitors belong 2 her but aslan dies for the traitor - all sinners belong to the devil but christ dies so that is not tru

candleman

12-11-2005, 10:55 PM

[QUOTE=She sez all traitors belong 2 her but aslan dies for the traitor - all sinners belong to the devil but christ dies so that is not tru[/QUOTE]

you lost me there..

Jesus died to take the punishment for OUR crimes.. so that we could go free from death.. "The soul that sins it shall die"

BUT Jesus died in our place

Eleanor Pevensie

12-14-2005, 07:32 AM

Sigh,
the lion is Jesus, the King of Kingsd and the Lord of Lords, He is the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, over whom death has no hold.
NarniaStory.com

Yes he is. I once read in a biography or something of CS Lewis that he was in correspondence with a mother of a child that was a fan of the Chronicles of Narnia. The boy's mother wrote once that the boy was afraid he was commiting idol worship, because he found he loved Aslan. CS Lewis wrote back telling the boy not to fear, that whenever he found he loved and worshipped Aslan, he really was loving Jesus, and that Aslan was Jesus, allegorically speaking.

WilliamMoseleyishot

12-15-2005, 02:22 AM

All of the Narnia stories are Christian stories in disgiuse- Aslan is Jesus, Edmund is the sinner that Jesus (Aslan) died for!

A Neevil

12-18-2005, 01:21 AM

Edmund Pevensie

12-18-2005, 01:38 AM

A Neevil

12-18-2005, 01:46 AM

What your talking about is God not Jesus, Jesus is the one that died for Sinners like myself.According to the doctrine of the Trinity, they're one and the same.

Edmund Pevensie

12-18-2005, 02:09 AM

Yes, but the things you described are all of God doings.

A Neevil

12-18-2005, 02:53 AM

Which Jesus wholeheartedly approved of. (Mark 10:19)

inkspot

12-22-2005, 06:07 PM

Did Aslan ever wipe out all life except for what could fit on one small boat? Did Aslan spend his days raining fire on any city that didn't worship him sufficently? Did Alsan ever command his followers to commit genocide? Does Aslan condemn those who don't worship him to an eternity of torment?

Aslan is not Jesus. Aslan is what Jesus should have been.

Jesus was Jesus as He should have been, Neevil. I think there are a couple issues going on with your post.

1. Was Aslan Jesus? Yes. How can we know this? His creator, CS Lewis, told us that Aslan was Jesus. He was himself a committed Christian and Christian apologist, and he gave clues throughout the CON and his other writings which show he intended for Aslan to be Jesus. So, there is simply no use denying that Aslan is Jesus. Lewis created the character and says he is.

2. Is God mean or wicked and therefore not worthy of worship, and could you imagine a better God than the biblical one on your own? (Since it seems you would prefer to worship perfect Aslan -- "Jesus as he should have been" -- than the God presented in the Bible.)

In answer to that, I will say: the Old Testament God was ruling a brutal people who had fallen from the perfection He intended for them, and His aim was to keep them alive and as uncorrupted as they could be in the state they were in. He wiped out a lot of wicked people to protect His own. What father wouldn't? The sins of Sodom and Gomorrah weren't just that they failed to worship God -- they actively pursued a violent and debauched lifestyle.

God took these steps which you use to accuse Him, in order to save a people that repeatedly forgot or denied Him ... and yet He went ahead and sent His own Son to die in their place and make a way to salvation for them and everyone else. How can you doubt His goodness, when He sacrificed His best for you?

Yes, Aslan is Jesus in the story. Yes, Jesus is God in real life. And yes, God loves you very, very, very much. Never doubt it. :)

Charn_Tim

12-22-2005, 06:17 PM

Beautifully written inkspot! I'm not sure I can add anything better to that...I definitely agree with you on all this. :)

DryadofLanternWaste

12-22-2005, 06:36 PM

Hear Hear. As do I, well said Inkspot

PrinceOfTheWest

12-22-2005, 06:59 PM

Elizabeth Pevensie

12-22-2005, 07:04 PM

Charn_Tim

12-22-2005, 07:26 PM

To me wouldn't Aslan be God in a way? He created Narnia,he made it with his musical roars. From the sound of Aslan, Narnia popped up as an brand new world but, instead of seven days to create Narnia it only took one.
Well, actually not just "in a way" but in fact, that is exactly what Lewis was intending. In the Voyage of the Dawn Treader, he makes this explicit, with Aslan telling Lucy and Edmund, "But there [in your world] I have another name. You must learn to know me by that name. This was the very reason that you were brought to Narnia, that by knowing me here for a little, you may know me better there."

In previous posts, we have made it clear that Lewis was intending Aslan to be Jesus Christ, as Lewis said so himself.

Faun 3.0

12-22-2005, 09:34 PM

I think God has different forms in different worlds. Aslan doesn't only appear as a lion

Iamnotjustdreaming

12-22-2005, 10:02 PM

In Aslan's (Jesus') words he is "I am"

This is truly an impressive statement when you think about it.

"I am holy"
"I am God"
"I am LORD"
"I am perfect"

etc. etc.

inkspot

12-23-2005, 12:20 PM

wouldn't Aslan be God in a way? He created Narnia,he made it with his musical roars. From the sound of Aslan, Narnia popped up as an brand new world but, instead of seven days to create Narnia it only took one.
Agreed, in the stories, Aslan is God, as Creator of Narnia, and Jesus, as Son of the Emperor Over the Sea (this is how he is referred to in the books), similar to a Christian definition of the Trinity: Father, Son and Holy Spirit, all one God. Blessed be He. :)

EveningStar

12-23-2005, 11:27 PM

There are only three persons of God mentioned in the New Testament, but then again there are three continents mentioned in the New Testament.

In fact, the Spanish had a horrid time in the early 1500s trying to decide if Native Americans were really human because they were not mentioned in the Bible. Someone finally had the bright idea that just because the Bible doesn't mention something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You can't read my breakfast menu in the Bible, but I had toast and cereal.

So gang, it is possible that the three parts of God mentioned in our Bible are not ALL there is?

When I call up to buy something on State Contract they ask me who my account representative is. I always get Peggy. That does not mean that there are not other account reps, or that their job is less important. But I never speak with them, I only know Peggy because she knows my region and can handle all the necessary work. Without trying to seem impious or provocative, how do we know that Aslan isn't THEIR PEGGY while Jesus is OUR PEGGY? An infinite God who relates to each world in the galaxy as Christ came to us, to know their suffering and woes and to relate to us.

It all comes down to the burning question...even if you accept the Bible as Inerrant, does that mean it's also Exhaustive? And lastly, does having people asking questions like these about him upset God nearly as much as being ignored? I think not. Matter of factly I'm sure God has a good laugh at some of my ramblings. Laughing is good. I remember when I was a kid that I'd much rather my Mother laugh at something I did than to use my middle name. When she read out my whole name in that imperious tone I knew I was in for the board of education...

Just food for thought. Nothing in this whole message is guaranteed to have any impact on your salvation. ;-)

John Burkitt

unleavened

12-23-2005, 11:58 PM

Hmm. That's an interesting concept. First off, I'm sure there is more to God than he tells us straight out in the Bible. In fact I believe there are some things He doesn't tell on purpose (but I'm not sure any of those things have to do w/ His character.) However, I think he told us as much as we would understand b/c he wants a real relationship w/ us. Although I wonder who is it that God is Joan for instead of Peggy? Just curious.

The Reverend Puddleglum

12-26-2005, 04:54 PM

A Lion who turns into a Lamb? Who is known by another name in our world? Who is kind yet terrible?

Jesus Christ is the only possible answer.

thelawtman

12-26-2005, 05:03 PM

for a christian he is the only answer but for others he is a character in the books of narnia.

inkspot

12-26-2005, 06:54 PM

for a christian he is the only answer but for others he is a character in the books of narnia.
LOL -- let's not start that argument here, too! :)

hanguk859

12-29-2005, 12:54 PM

well, of course Aslan's meant to be Jesus Christ, there's just no getting past it. C.S. Lewis makes it blatantly obvious.

hanguk859

12-29-2005, 12:56 PM

well, I think it is Exhaustive in that matter. What possible other manifestation of GOD wouldn't be mentioned in the Bible? I don't think you're being quite fair...the New Testament was written to specific audiences....

girher

12-30-2005, 11:08 AM

Jesus :D :D :D

inkspot

12-30-2005, 11:18 AM

Yes! Welcome to the discussion, girher!

jonathanruiz209

12-31-2005, 05:52 PM

I think Aslan gave a "big" clue in the Last Battle. Disney/Hollywood does not like it but we know Aslan by Jesus Christ in this world.
Remember towards the end on the Voyage of the Dawn Threader Aslan tarnsforms Himslef as a Lamb (lamb of God) and tells the children that He brought them to Nanria so that they may know him more over there...In the HOrse and His BOy he tells Shasta that he is "Myslef" and repeats it three times like when Moses asks the burning bush "who are you" "I am the God of abraham, isaac, and Jacob." God, as in The Father, the OSn, adn the HOly Spirit all in One being..

In the Magician's Nephew Aslan tells that how the creatures came out of the dust so shall they return to dust, just like in the bible...

narniarox

01-02-2006, 02:35 PM

i cannot wait to see what the media will say about the definite reality of aslan being Jesus in the chronicles. it becomes even more obvious as the series wears on. i love the chronicles so much because they are what truly brought me to christianity ( after my having been the reluctant and rebellious preacher's daughter). other than the Bible that is what really sticks out to me. i was 4 when my mom read the books to me and 5 when i was able to read them for myself.

inkspot

01-02-2006, 06:51 PM

The media in general takes one of two approaches to CON:

1. They condemn it for being overtly religious, and try to smear the author CS Lewis by focusing on his unusual life.

2. They ignore the movie altogether in hopes no one will see it. I imagine the movie will be snubbed for Academy Awards just as The Passion was, despite being a blockbuster. :(

Elrond

01-02-2006, 07:19 PM

Aslan is clearly Jesus, the son of the Emperor-over-the-sea (not quite sure on the name).

lionessofgod

01-05-2006, 03:01 PM

I surely believe that the Emporer-over-the-sea is God, and that Aslan is his son, right? That is so cool!

EveningStar

01-05-2006, 03:11 PM

When I was asked to write something for the tombstone of a tiger cub, I wrote this inscription. I think you will agree that it speaks of the Emperor's land:

By heaven's waters sweet and clean
A herd of wildebeests is seen
Relieving thirst, and by their side
The members of a lion pride

A cub and calf engage in play
As side by side their elders lay
And angels kneel with mercy mild
To touch the calf and lion child

John Burkitt

inkspot

01-05-2006, 03:12 PM

Wow! That's sweet! Nice work, Chakal.

lionessofgod

01-05-2006, 05:52 PM

I agree, that's beautiful! I love poems like that!

Lord Rhoop

01-05-2006, 06:11 PM

Thats an awesome poem! It kinda reminds of the passage in Revelations about how the lion will lay with the lamb!

lionessofgod

01-05-2006, 06:30 PM

I have been looking forever for that verse! But the Bible is such a huge book that it may take another forever to find it! Where is it, Lord Rhoop?

inkspot

01-06-2006, 03:44 PM

Isaiah 11:6-7 actually reads:

"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox."

lioness, you can find any verse if you know a few words of it over at http://www.biblegateway.com/

Aslan's Beloved Daughter

01-07-2006, 02:42 PM

Yeah, that's a good place to go to.