Narnia And Lord Of The Rings

[dawntreader77]

ok this may already be somewhere on this forum if so just edit this one and im sorry.but have any of you ever noticed how those too resemble? like the rings for instence?
like you dissapear when it is put on you?

[Y. Fish]

I am wearing a shirt right now that says on the front, "Sure, you know about the ONE RING to rule Middle Earth..." and on the back, "...but do you know of the TWO RINGS that can get you there?" On each side is a color illustration of the rings in their respective environments. Just thought that was a tidbit of information that was somehow relevant.

[dawntreader77]

wow! :o where did you get it?? :blink:

[Y. Fish]

I didn't get it; I made it. I make a lot of shirts.

[Gleeleaf]

Oh, COOL!!! I want one!!! That is so awesome! :D B)

I think that there are quite a few similarities between the two series, probably because the two authors were such good friends and had a lot in common themselves.

[Y. Fish]

Another random bit of information: Did you know that J.R.R. Tolkien criticized Lewis' first version of the Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe so much that Lewis almost didn't write it?

[dawntreader77]

poor lewis!! :( [*mumbels under breath about tolken*] oh guess what comes out may 25?????return of the king!!! :lol: yay!!! [at least it does doun here]mr. fish, you need to make those t-shirts and sell them here on the site!! ;) how do you make them? :o .

[Y. Fish]

Originally posted by dawntreader77@May 8 2004, 08:50 PM
mr. fish, you need to make those t-shirts and sell them here on the site!! ;) how do you make them? :o .
that's MS. Fish to you! :lol: ;) Anyway, I just take old t-shirts that have stains or stuff and I draw on them with permanent sharpies. And I don't think I could make enough to sell them... good idea, though.

[Gleeleaf]

Yeah we could order them here and give you our adresses and send you money in the mail and you could send us the t-shirts! :lol: That'd be so cool! ;)

[faeriechylde]

Hmm... the two books/series do have a lot of the same themes, of course. One of them that is interesting is the banding together of different types of people to fight a common enemy. That is a big theme in PC from CoN, and of course it runs through all three LOTR books.

[dawntreader77]

yeah

[Y. Fish]

A major similarity-like-thing in the books is the geography. Middle Earth is a big eastern land with a big western ocean; Narnia is a big western land with a big eastern ocean. And then you've got the Undying Lands/Aslan's Country in the middle. Might have been on purpose, might not have been.

[Rhindon]

I always saw "The Lord of the Rings" and the chronicles as "sister" books.

[rosymole]

Narnia and LotR are totally different! For starters the CoN is an allegorical work, whereas LotR is most definately not, as confirmed by Tolkien himself. The differnces in scale, languages, details of history are huge! The only thing that joins them together is the genre they share, and some themes of friendship, good vs evil etc, but these can be found in any book. Still, they are both a great read and deserve equal respect and homage!

[Magician_Of_Narnia]

Originally posted by dawntreader77@May 7 2004, 09:11 PM
wow! :o where did you get it?? :blink:
That sounds like a cool shirt do you make it your self or if you bought it? :D

[Y. Fish]

Originally posted by Y. Fish@May 8 2004, 09:30 AM
I didn't get it; I made it. I make a lot of shirts.
B) Bought the white shirt a long time ago, made it Narnia-fied on my own.

[nejofsherwood]

Originally posted by rosymole@Oct 16 2004, 07:15 AM
Narnia and LotR are totally different! For starters the CoN is an allegorical work, whereas LotR is most definately not, as confirmed by Tolkien himself. The differnces in scale, languages, details of history are huge! The only thing that joins them together is the genre they share, and some themes of friendship, good vs evil etc, but these can be found in any book. Still, they are both a great read and deserve equal respect and homage!
Tolkien said that his work was not allegorical, but you can read a lot into it. i think that there are many parallels between the two books (many more than if compared to star wars or something). i was under the impression the Tolkien greatly influenced Lewis in his writing.

[Rhindon]

Originally posted by nejofsherwood@Nov 14 2004, 12:01 AM
i was under the impression the Tolkien greatly influenced Lewis in his writing.
Does the term "magic rings" come to mind? ;)

[crjr9833]

I'm so sorry, but this talk is totally pointless.

[crjr9833]

i mean parts of it

[rosymole]

You'll have to explain yourself a little more crjr9833? Which parts do not, IYO, have a point? Join in - it's only a friendly discussion! ;)

[faeriechylde]

Originally posted by nejofsherwood@Nov 14 2004, 12:01 AM
i was under the impression the Tolkien greatly influenced Lewis in his writing.
You're right, Nej. Lewis himself sort of hints at that in his preface to That Hideous Strength. (It's so good to see you here, by the way! ;) )

[I'mbigger/you'reolder]

I was talking to a professor about the Space Trilogy books, which he is a HUGE fan of. He said that Tolkien read a rough draft of That Hiddeous Strength and got ideas for the industrialization of nature, which is a big theme in LotR. I just finished the series, and didn't see it as such a prevailing theme as it was in LotR, but if it helped Tolkien, that's totally cool with me!

[DryadofLanternWaste]

I think that its funny that the
Utter East was Aslan's land, yet Valinor, where all the hopes of the elves in the time Morgoth, was in the West and in Tolkien's world to the East lay evil things and north, but that's beside the point.
Something that I noticed very clearly was the use of the swan for Prince Amroth, the city of Nargothrod, and Galadriel's boat, are all very similar to the ship Lucy mentions in PC.

Also both worlds begin in song...

In the Space Trilogy, I'm not sure if someone mentioned this, but Lewis makes a reference to Numinor(Numénor), yet he is mislead calling it the true west, which only Valinor is.

I could make a few more references that would be pushing it, but I think I'll leave that for another day.

[faeriechylde]

There was a lot of borrowing back and forth of ideas between the two authors. Of course! That's what friends do: influence each other. Not to mention they were both drawing their ideas from some of the same sources: ancient and classical mythology. I would frankly be shocked if CoN and LotR had nothing in common. But what I really like is how they both emphasize the joy that can be found in nature and in the simple life.
For example, they both have an obvious love for the stars (who doesn't love the stars, anyway?). And though all of the stars over Middle Earth may not be people (as they are in Narnia), we know that at least one is: Earendil. In both stories the stars are powerful symbols, usually of hope and comfort.
(And speaking of Space Trilogy, don't the Eldil, and especially the Oyarsa, remind anyone of the Vala?)