Fave bad guy in the CON

[she-elfwarrior19]

What would you fave bad guy be in the CON, who had a great charectar in the books, and was great for a villain.
Mine is The white witch, she is great, she has always been one of my fave bad guyd in the books, i just like her shes cool, for a bad person, she has a very cool chllingniss about her- and by the way,i just felt like adding a picture of my fave bad charectar lol ;)

[she-elfwarrior19]

anyone?anyone?lol if you have for some reason a picture of yer fave bad dude, if you want u can attacht it

[borntofly]

My favorite bad guy? The witch, and Rabadash becasue he is so prideful and stupid becasue he will not allow himself to be wrong and he ends up as a donkey. What can be better then that?

[inkspot]

Hooray for Rabadash!

But the worst is that stupid monkey Shift in TLB. I hate that thing.

[she-elfwarrior19]

amen, inkspot the monkey is something i CANNOT stand, ug it makes me so mad that he tricked all the nice animals and stuff, b/c im a animal lover and boy i egt mad when people are mean to them :(

[mcmonkeyburger]

Jadis as green lady. definitely.

[legolas]

Hmm... I have never really had a fav bad guy in CON. I think it would be fun to play Jadis in a skit or something. (Playing and evil part is fun) But other then that i don't have one.

[unleavened]

The green lady all the way! Mainly b/c I can't remember any others off the top of my head. If she's the most prevolant in my mind then she's probably my favorite. That almost makes sense...right?

[rosymole]

Nikabrik - he steals masonary (oh please stop me)! I liked him because he's an 'old' Narnian, but has the extreme badness.
Shift was just plain old creepy, and I also liked the dwarfs in LB- turn coat 'little beasts'

[Elendil]

My fav bad guy...defantly Rabbadash

[GrayCloak]

Nikabrik - he steals masonary (oh please stop me)
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It's a two way tie with me, Shift and Uncle Andrew, with Andrew probably winning by a hair.

He was the inbodyment of the 'Materialist Sorceror' to me. His disreguard for life in the name of 'science' always creeped me out.

[Johan 72109]

Either Nikabrik or the dwarves in TLB... they weren't just bad guys because 'Well... erm... every book needs a bad guy, and this bloke's it! :D '
They had proper reasons behind going bad, and even had parts to their personality that you could sympathise with, or even like.

[Sam]

I like Rabadash for the same reason- he's not just evil, like the white witch. There's a lot that's pretty pathetic and ridiculous about him (hence his nickname.) Plus, I love the scene where the Narnians are trying to decide what to do with him, and someone's like 'traitors don't change' and Edmond says 'I know one who did'. It's just so poignant!

[she-elfwarrior19]

that part made me cry....lol when someone said "traitors don't change" but edmund said " i know one who did" thanks for putting that in sam, thanks alot, ;)

[Tarkheena_Finduilas22]

Oh gosh I hated all the bad guys! :D Uncle Andrew was freaky and I HATED shift!

[she-elfwarrior19]

he was a little evil and creepy yes, but i didnt pay much attention to him

[borntofly]

Hahaha! Shift is exactly like some of the people in our world. Changing the truth for their own benefit and losing the the same force that they try to obliterate. Shift bugged me, but he was a pretty good bad guy.though, in truth he wasn't much of a master mind.

Uncle Andrew was the same, he seeked to advance himself in powers he had no mastery over and he winds up crazier and more messed up then before. He blots out the vioce of Aslan with his own dillusional reasoning eactly like some modern scientists do with evolution they fail to see the force behind everything, God.

[TimmyofOz]

Favorite bad guys in CON are the dwarfs in LB. Even the Caloremens couldn't stand having them around. Think the cat in LB is cool also.

[TimmyofOz]

Jadis as green lady. definitely.
Is The Green Lady in SC ever identified as Jadis. They use the same actress in the BBC movies and they are described of as the same kind but I never read they were the same person.

[crjr9833]

The Dwarves in the Last Battle.

[borntofly]

The Green Lady is not Jadis, but the BBC movies confuse it and make it look like they are. I'm not sure that the Green Lady is exactly the same kind of witch, but their ambitions are alike.

[she-elfwarrior19]

I was reading a book, i forget what it was but they were saying and talking about jadis and the books she is in they say she is in LWW and very dangerous, and they said she appeared as the greemn lady in a way in the SC and is still very dangerous

[Cassie]

*almost cries* Shift! He's so horrible and hateful (my first time ever using that word here! yay!) and argh! He makes me so angry. He isn't smart, but he's terrible. Like the cat, who is just... horrible too. And when the dwarves started to shoot at the horses (i think it was) in LB I was in tears.

[she-elfwarrior19]

that part made me mad the first time i read LB.the baclk dawrves shhoting with their bow/arrow.

[borntofly]

I was reading a book, i forget what it was but they were saying and talking about jadis and the books she is in they say she is in LWW and very dangerous, and they said she appeared as the greemn lady in a way in the SC and is still very dangerous
Are you sure? This doesn't sound familiar to me, I've always thought she is like the Wihite Witch, but she wasn't the White Witch.

[she-elfwarrior19]

well thats what i read so............anywho, what about that Calormen dude who carried Jill by the hair in the last battle, theat made me mad lol

[she-elfwarrior19]

I will write what the thing said in the book.

" Jadis, the last queen of Charn which she herself destroyed. Jadis arrives in Narnia with Digory and Polly in the Magicians Nephew and has taken over the land as the white witch and the Lion the witch and the wardrobe. Completely evil, she is also very dangerous in the silver chair"

[Saruman]

Jadis, the White Witch, is my favorite villain in CoN.

But Jadis is not the Green Lady in The Silver Chair. I will quote a couple of passages from the book that should end all doubts:

(In response to hearing that Prince Rilian is still alive, Glimfeather says): "'That almost makes it worse....It means she has some use for him, and some deep scheme against Narnia. Long, long ago, at the very beginning, a White Witch came out of the north and bound our land in snow and ice for a hundred years. And we think this may be one of the same crew.'"

And: "...now they all saw what it meant; how a wicked Witch (doubtless the same kind as that White Witch who had brought the Great Winter on Narnia long ago) had contrived the whole thing, first killing Rilian's mother and enchanting Rilian himself."

The Green Lady is much like to the White Witch, in that she practices sorcery and the like, but Lewis does not tell the reader that she is Jadis. Rather, he writes that she is of the same kind and of the same crew. The Green Lady is a baddy, but nothing like Jadis (and note she wore green and was known as Green, whereas Jadis was later in Narnia called White).

[inkspot]

And when the dwarves started to shoot at the horses (i think it was) in LB I was in tears.
Don't even talk to me about the dwarves shooting the horses, the little blighters. I was so upset by that ...

She-Elf, what book is this that equates Jadis and the Green lady?

[rosymole]

She-Elf, what book is this that equates Jadis and the Green lady?

As she no here and I am, I'm gonna be cheeky and answer that one..It's all in the silver Chair..various bits said by Puddleglum, and the owls too if memory serves correctly.

[inkspot]

I will write what the thing said in the book.

" Jadis, the last queen of Charn which she herself destroyed. Jadis arrives in Narnia with Digory and Polly in the Magicians Nephew and has taken over the land as the white witch and the Lion the witch and the wardrobe. Completely evil, she is also very dangerous in the silver chair"

This bit isn't in Silver Chair, though, this is from a book about Narnia, rather than one of the Narnia books, I wonder where this bit comes from?

[she-elfwarrior19]

No, i know its not FROM the Silver chair, but its in each of the Con books i own, like my boxset of the books, and at the front few pages there are descriptions about the charectars. Thats where i got this from.

[inkspot]

Oh, I see. Huh. So someone at the publishing house believes Jadis and the lady in green to be the same witch. But I don't think so.

[Gondor Knight of Narnia]

i somehow don't think Jadis and the Green Witch are the same person...Aslan ate Jadis and then Knickabrick was gonna bring her back in a freaky ritual...definitely weren't the same...
My fave villian???Jadis,of course! :D

[she-elfwarrior19]

Aslan ate her eh?What book was that?:p

[Gondor Knight of Narnia]

i thought it WAS in LWW but i read it again and found otherwise... :D

[TimmyofOz]

The reason The Green Lady is thought to be White Witch is also because in PC the old hag says you can always being her back. I feel if CS Lewis had a use for the Jadis being still around he would have brought her back in LB. If Lewis could bring back Merlin in That Hideous Strength he could have brought back Jadis if he wanted to. You never really have a Satan CON who is distroyed in the LB like in Revelation in the Bible. It would have been very scarry if at stable hill that the White Witch was called up. :eek:

[inkspot]

Good point. We have a Christ figure in Aslan, but not a consistent Satan figure in CON -- evil wears a different face in each of the books, and you sense that none of those characters is Satan the way Aslan is Christ, but rather those evil characters have allowed Satan to work through them.

**TLB spoilers**
Look at Shift and Puzzle in TLB. Puzzle wasn't a bad sort at all, just led astray by a bad monkey, and even Shift in the end looks like a slave to his need for alcohol and good food, so the Calormenes boss him around -- so really, he doesn't represent Satan at all, just a selfish monkey who let Satan use him to do great harm.

It's true even in our world: demons can only get what they want to the extent that people cooperate with them, and they need not even be "bad" people.

[Gondor Knight of Narnia]

yep....and the devil's a nasty liar!it can't stay consistent....

[Saruman]

No, I believe Lewis has a consistent Satan figure in his books, but this "Satan" really only appears in TLB. He is, of course, Tash, whose very presence made one smell death and decay (don't forget what happened to Shift). And don't forget what Aslan said concerning Tash at the end, and it was with Tash that many went to be. So I believe there is a "Satan" in CoN.

[Gondor Knight of Narnia]

nice point curumo :D

[inkspot]

I dunno ... we never really hear of Tash except in HHB and TLB. Why was Aslan consistently the Christ character, but evil was sometimes WW, the Green Lady, the hag in PC, and so forth? And Tash himself as a real person never manifests until TLB...

[Gondor Knight of Narnia]

Tash manifested in LB because it was either the ape or the calormene who called on him....ech :eek:

[she-elfwarrior19]

I belive it was that brat of an ape lol, no offence to nayone who likes that ape and its charectar

[inkspot]

Everyone hates the ape! he was awful! bad ape, bad!

[Gondor Knight of Narnia]

i wanted to see the ents play football w/ him..... :D he'd be the ball of course....

[she-elfwarrior19]

yeah that monkey is annoying
I was just making sure, you never know, someone could actually like the ape thing beast thing.
I overall hate all monkey kinds, sorry i have many reasons lol:D

[inkspot]

There's that monkey Koko than can do the sign language, that's a pretty good monkey. And when I was a kid -- in high school -- I worked at the zoo, and we had a nice gorilla, Hazel.

[TimmyofOz]

Don't quite see Tash as Satan being an advisory. At best Tash is just a demon. The Idea of Tashlan is definitely satanic. Idea from Hell.

[Gondor Knight of Narnia]

yeah that monkey is annoying
I was just making sure, you never know, someone could actually like the ape thing beast thing.
I overall hate all monkey kinds, sorry i have many reasons lol:D

i like monkies and apes when their well behaved.... :D anyways...yep my fave villian has GOT to be....ehhhhh i think i said jadis earlier?still think she's my fave! :D although rabadash was so ridiculous he made me laugh....

[Jewel of Narnia]

I also thought rabadash was funny. But I hated Shift! :mad: :)

[Gondor Knight of Narnia]

You too?hehe :D

[mrstumnus99]

Yeah Shift was so annoying!!!!!!! (He's the worst!) My favorite bad guy is proably in the books....Miraz because he did nothing really or the White witch because she was well written!

[she-elfwarrior19]

yeah he got so annoying

[anna.the.gentle]

My fave bad guy maybe is...
The White witch... Yeah and Maugrim. I just love huskies! :D
But probably my most favorite is the Lady of the Green Kirtle cause she may be evil, but she's beautiful!... Even though she's a snake... :p

[missnarnia]

white witch!!
duh she is like the ONLY bad girl !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[anna.the.gentle]

Yeah, I think Shift is annoying. But my fave bad guy is The Lady of the Green Kirtle and the White Witch. Both show the same features: beauty and evilness. Sometimes, evilness can be found in beauty too.