Story Lucy was reading/Jesus story in Narnia?

[lieke]

In VDT, Lucy is reading a story in the house of the magician, she said it had something to do with a sword, tree, green hill and a goblet.
later Aslan sais that He is going to tell her that story for years and years.

any thoughts of what the story could be?

[Señor Puntos]

In VDT, Lucy is reading a story in the house of the magician, she said it had something to do with a sword, tree, green hill and a goblet.
later Aslan sais that He is going to tell her that story for years and years.

any thoughts of what the story could be?
Not at all, but it'd be cool if someone did a fanfic of it.

[PrinceOfTheWest]

Oooh, that would be very difficult. The story was a spell (or the spell a story; same thing) "for the refreshment of the spirit". Aslan's statement implies that the story is a small bit of what was completely realized in Last Battle when the Narnians were called "higher up and further in" to the True Narnia and Aslan's Country. Such a story would have to be a little bit of paradise - quite a tall order for any human authors. Note that even Lewis and Tolkien shied away from trying to write that - Lewis didn't have anything but the briefest descriptions of how life was lived in the Real Narnia, and Tolkien didn't describe Frodo landing on and living in the Blessed Land.

[lieke]

Oooh, that would be very difficult. The story was a spell (or the spell a story; same thing) "for the refreshment of the spirit". Aslan's statement implies that the story is a small bit of what was completely realized in Last Battle when the Narnians were called "higher up and further in" to the True Narnia and Aslan's Country. Such a story would have to be a little bit of paradise - quite a tall order for any human authors. Note that even Lewis and Tolkien shied away from trying to write that - Lewis didn't have anything but the briefest descriptions of how life was lived in the Real Narnia, and Tolkien didn't describe Frodo landing on and living in the Blessed Land.
No, they both just give an impression, but not explain it in detaills, but does that mean that the book was written by a not-human, or a not-narnian, but by some one as Aslan, or maybe even the Emperor-over-the-sea (sorry if i spelled The Name wrong). But if the story was a spell, then what was it about, Lucy read the whole story but nothing happened.

[Tsukiko]

the story lucy was reading seemed exciting!! i would luv to read...althought it doesnt even exist

[lieke]

the story lucy was reading seemed exciting!! i would luv to read...althought it doesnt even exist
how do you know it doesn't excist. i think it does, but maybe in a different way. Why would Lewis made the part with the story up if it wasn't important, he let Lucy read it for some reason, for a reason for the readers of VDT. But what reason, i wish i could talk to Lewis for a while and ask him what the story was and why he put in in VDT.

any more suggestions about what the story could be?

[Señor Puntos]

how do you know it doesn't excist. i think it does, but maybe in a different way. Why would Lewis made the part with the story up if it wasn't important, he let Lucy read it for some reason, for a reason for the readers of VDT. But what reason, i wish i could talk to Lewis for a while and ask him what the story was and why he put in in VDT.

any more suggestions about what the story could be?


The tree woke up and looked around. It let out a loud yawn, the leaves atop its head rustling. It tore its roots from the shining ground and started to walk to the pool at the top of the Hill. It carried on walking, even though the Fauns said it would never make it, that it would never reach the top of the Hill and drink from the pool there.
The tree simply ignored the Fauns, but when the Satyrs joined in it just cried out in anger, "leave me alone! You're all bullies, now leave!" The creatures trudged off, leaving the tree on its own to continue its journey. All except one little Faun. This Faun taunted and taunted the tree as it made its way up the Hill. Never stopping, always walking, the tree tryed to ignore the goat-legged man but couldn't.
Eventually the tree raised the courage to draw its long, gleaming sword and strike the Faun down. When it did this it suddenly shot up the Hill, everything was a blur, and then the tree was standing beside the pool. Sitting next to him was a great golden lion. The lion handed the tree a jewel encrusted goblet, which it dipped into the pool and drank from. The tree looked around and it was back at its home, but it was different. It was cleaner. Better. Shinier. It was perfect.

Something like that? :p

[PrinceOfTheWest]

I don't know what it does for anyone else, but that sure refreshes my spirit, JK!

[Señor Puntos]

I don't know what it does for anyone else, but that sure refreshes my spirit, JK!
Now this is a man that appreciates true story telling. Some people might think he was being sarcastic, but I know he wasn't. Right, PotW?

Actually I put some allegory in my stupidly random story. The tree travelling up the Hill is the journey of Christianity, and the fauns and satyrs were people saying they couldn't lead that life, and the last faun was Satan who the tree struck down and therefore his life was easier and the lion offered the tree a drink after his long journey; Jesus offering people Heathen after their life. I rock.

[lieke]

The tree woke up and looked around. It let out a loud yawn, the leaves atop its head rustling. It tore its roots from the shining ground and started to walk to the pool at the top of the Hill. It carried on walking, even though the Fauns said it would never make it, that it would never reach the top of the Hill and drink from the pool there.
The tree simply ignored the Fauns, but when the Satyrs joined in it just cried out in anger, "leave me alone! You're all bullies, now leave!" The creatures trudged off, leaving the tree on its own to continue its journey. All except one little Faun. This Faun taunted and taunted the tree as it made its way up the Hill. Never stopping, always walking, the tree tryed to ignore the goat-legged man but couldn't.
Eventually the tree raised the courage to draw its long, gleaming sword and strike the Faun down. When it did this it suddenly shot up the Hill, everything was a blur, and then the tree was standing beside the pool. Sitting next to him was a great golden lion. The lion handed the tree a jewel encrusted goblet, which it dipped into the pool and drank from. The tree looked around and it was back at its home, but it was different. It was cleaner. Better. Shinier. It was perfect.

Something like that? :p
it really is a nice story :)
but i don't think that that was the story in the book :rolleyes: , but anyway, it was good :)

but does anyone think that the story in the book was bible related?

[Señor Puntos]

it really is a nice story :)
but i don't think that that was the story in the book :rolleyes: , but anyway, it was good :)

but does anyone think that the story in the book was bible related?
Probably yeah. And you actually like it! HAH! Rock on, Liek, rock on!

[Narnian1]

hahaha. Could it be like the Word of God? In the Bible, we dont get enough description of heaven to know exactly what it is like, but we get enough detail to know that is is amazing!!

[lieke]

Probably yeah. And you actually like it! HAH! Rock on, Liek, rock on!
i liked the last sentence "The tree looked around and it was back at its home, but it was different. It was cleaner. Better. Shinier. It was perfect." :D

yes, maybe it is a description of heaven, but why does Aslan say that He will tell her years and years....

maybe it was something about the life of Jesus?

[Tirian of Narnia]

Or maybe it's a story about Aslan's country, that's allways what I assumed.

[umbrellaxscenexcore]

well it was about a cup, a sword , a TREE , a green hill... hmm

[umbrellaxscenexcore]

I read that part yesetrday and I have 2 pgs left of the bk :p so yeah I have to finish ALL the bks and I think i'll have a clue...

[Tsukiko]

maybe Lewis once read a nice story he really like that refreshend his spirit and so he put in VoTD...just a thought :)

[umbrellaxscenexcore]

a tree eh? "points @ avatar" apple trees r a HUGE part of Narnia "once again *points @ avatar* lol" I think the story she read is the magician's nephew cuz of the tree but i didn't read the magician's nephew ....yet... I only read the horse and his boy, the lion, the witch and the wardrobe, prince caspian and i have 2 pgs left of voyage of the dawn treader

[Tirian of Narnia]

no, the magicain`s nephew would not give you "refreshment of the spirit".

[lieke]

a tree eh? "points @ avatar" apple trees r a HUGE part of Narnia "once again *points @ avatar* lol" I think the story she read is the magician's nephew cuz of the tree but i didn't read the magician's nephew ....yet... I only read the horse and his boy, the lion, the witch and the wardrobe, prince caspian and i have 2 pgs left of voyage of the dawn treader
and she already knew the story of the magicians nephew, the professor told her

[Malacandra]

well it was about a cup, a sword , a TREE , a green hill... hmm

A green hill far away, without a city wall? ;)

[Someonebeatmetowunderkind]

I just have no idea what it was he was thinking of. It might make a fun riddle to solve. :)

[Tirian of Narnia]

Or maybe it's not suposed to have any meaning bisides that it's a nice story. the one we see in the book. :)

[Oddish]

It could be symbolic or even a retelling of the Easter story.

THE GOBLET: The cup used at the Last Supper
THE SWORD: The sword that Peter used in Gesthemane
THE TREE: The cross that Jesus died on
THE GREEN HILL: The garden tomb that Jesus was laid in

[PrinceOfTheWest]

I think that a bit of a stretch, but it's not infeasible that Lewis had something like that in mind. As an author myself, I know there are times I just put things in a story without any attempt at underlying or hidden meaning. It's just intended to add a touch of authenticity. I think the thing that's interesting about the story is that the content swiftly faded from her mind. The effect was accomplished - the refreshment of her spirit - but she wasn't allowed to retain it. Possibly this foreshadows (or aftershadows - I'll have to check publication dates) some of Ransom's experiences on Perelandra, such as stepping into one of the nectar bubbles. He was "allowed" to experience it randomly when he inadvertantly stepped into one of them, but he wasn't allowed to go looking for them to reproduce the experience.

[umbrellaxscenexcore]

um no the TREE is a TREE not a cross I'm certain of that, I think it's the tree that Diggory Kirke plante dhwen he first when to narnia...

[Jack of Blades]

I think that a bit of a stretch, but it's not infeasible that Lewis had something like that in mind. As an author myself, I know there are times I just put things in a story without any attempt at underlying or hidden meaning. It's just intended to add a touch of authenticity. I think the thing that's interesting about the story is that the content swiftly faded from her mind. The effect was accomplished - the refreshment of her spirit - but she wasn't allowed to retain it. Possibly this foreshadows (or aftershadows - I'll have to check publication dates) some of Ransom's experiences on Perelandra, such as stepping into one of the nectar bubbles. He was "allowed" to experience it randomly when he inadvertantly stepped into one of them, but he wasn't allowed to go looking for them to reproduce the experience.
Actually, it could be possible. Aslan is Jesus, and pretty much the stuff that was from the bible is told over and over again. Also, the things of Narnia have not been silent ever since they hit the shelves.

[Susan of the Arrows]

I think the story really was that Easter Story. It said so in a book called "The Magical World of Narnia: A Treasury of Myths and Legends" by David Colbert. :D

C.S. Lewis was pretty religous, so maybe there's a possibility that that was it.

[Lucy the Marshwiggle]

I think it was the story about Jesus and yeah the Easter story because it said something about a cup.

[the dryads friend]

maybe the story was like what her and edmund and eustace scrubb were about to do

[EveningStar]

If it goes on for years and years, it's probably by James Mitchner.... :D

[inkspot]

LOL, ES.

I had heard that about the hill, cup, tree and sword referencing the Easter story. The thing is: Lucy would have recognized and remembered the Easter story. It was probably just a really great story, and maybe it also had symbols which pointed to Jesus -- the way CON is a really great story, but also has symbols which point us to Jesus.

[Emperor of the East]

Could the hill posibly have something to do with the green hill past the western waste. because earlier in the story Eustace is bathed in a well on a hill which i believe is the same. also aslan mentions that he is going to tell that story to trumpkin the dwarf whom is in charge while caspian is away

[QueenSusanofNarnia]

i'm not sure if someone already posted this, but maybe it could be forshadowing to VotDT/LB....Like, he's telling her what the Real Narnia looks like....or that she's going to visit it twice (later on in VotDT and in LB)...:)

[Narnia Man 2006]

I was reading VotDT and I came upon this paragraph when Lucy started to forget the story she liked so much.

Note: All important key words will be in italics.

'"Oh, what a shame!" Said Lucy. "I did so want to read it again. Well, at least I must remember it again. Let's see...it was about...about... oh dear, it's all fading away again. And even this last page is going blank. This is a very queer book. How can I have forgotten? It was about a cup and a sword and a tree and a green hill. I know that much. But I can't remember and what shall I do?"

Well, everybody knows Aslan has a Christian theme and same with Narnia itself. But I re-read this part and came upon an amazing conclusion for anti-Narnia people:

the cup is the cup (AKA Holy Grail in King Arthur) that Jesus drank during the Last Supper.

The sword is what Peter used to cut the servant's ear off.

The tree is what was the cross

The green hill was where Jesus died while on the cross.

Now unless somebody has discovered this, let's just say it was unknown.

[inkspot]

iMerge with an older thread on this topic.
:)

[umbrellaxscenexcore]

what does merge mean? put together?

[inkspot]

what does merge mean? put together?
LOL, yes, put together.

There were two threads on this same subject, so I ran them together and now they read like one thread. iMerge!
:)

[EveningStar]

Oh, iSee !

Hehe, iGot ya!

[umbrellaxscenexcore]

very smart.
other mods *cough* would just delte this one,but merging is better cuz htey have somewhat different topics.

ok i'm non-christian so i'm totally against the "jesus was crusified" thing, but i get it except for the part where i says its a beuatidufle story

[inkspot]

You mean, why woudl Lucy think that was a beautiful story? I don't think she was actually reading the crucifixion story; I think it was a beautiful story which, when Lewis vaguely describes it, he put in some allegorical symbols.

[Octesian]

*agrees* But I do wish that we could know what C.S. Lewis was describing-instead of just guessing about it.

[Narnia Man 2006]

Hey, I had that post earlier. You just acted like you just discovered it and I posted it first.

[inkspot]

Hey, I had that post earlier. You just acted like you just discovered it and I posted it first.
iMerged two threads when the second one was started, is that what you mean?

[Narnia Man 2006]

I'll try not to be rude, but I had a topic in this forum about the book in VotDT, and I worked very hard just to copy the paragraph down, and it took me ages to discover that. And I wouldn't mind if the person that changed this topic would mention that I discovered it first, along with quoting what I had before somebody changed it.

[inkspot]

I'll try not to be rude, but I had a topic in this forum about the book in VotDT, and I worked very hard just to copy the paragraph down, and it took me ages to discover that. And I wouldn't mind if the person that changed this topic would mention that I discovered it first, along with quoting what I had before somebody changed it.
OK, in April 2006, Lieke began a thread on this topic, and many people proposed the same things which NarniaMan then proposed in his New Thread on the same topic in September 2006.

I was reading VotDT and I came upon this paragraph when Lucy started to forget the story she liked so much.

Note: All important key words will be in italics.

'"Oh, what a shame!" Said Lucy. "I did so want to read it again. Well, at least I must remember it again. Let's see...it was about...about... oh dear, it's all fading away again. And even this last page is going blank. This is a very queer book. How can I have forgotten? It was about a cup and a sword and a tree and a green hill. I know that much. But I can't remember and what shall I do?"

Well, everybody knows Aslan has a Christian theme and same with Narnia itself. But I re-read this part and came upon an amazing conclusion for anti-Narnia people:

the cup is the cup (AKA Holy Grail in King Arthur) that Jesus drank during the Last Supper.

The sword is what Peter used to cut the servant's ear off.

The tree is what was the cross

The green hill was where Jesus died while on the cross.

Now unless somebody has discovered this, let's just say it was unknown.

I merged the thread he began with this post into Lieke's thread in April. So while Narnia Man 2006 is the first to say exactly what is said above, others in April and May of this year had already discussed it, as this thread bears witness.

Does this clear up any confusion?

[pappy]

i guess the story could relate to the bible or it could simply refer to lucy's story, you know... she was able to read her own life story and see how wonderful it actually is. Sometimes reality can be better than fantasy. Whichever it is, I sure wish that we could all read it too.