If you could put a romance between someone and someone or change some book... w wd u?

[Ginny_JillPole]

I was wondering... too manny of us think too manny differents things and I just like to know about this, hee hee... and if you could change something of the stories... what would be?
I wouldn't change too much, the books are great... what would you? :confused:

[redsoxfreak01]

I was wondering... too manny of us think too manny differents things and I just like to know about this, hee hee... and if you could change something of the stories... what would be?
I wouldn't change too much, the books are great... what would you? :confused:

Yeah, I wouldn't change too much either. They're excellent books.

[Natasia_Vae]

I wouldn't want to change anything in the Chronicles of Narnia but I can think of some other books I would like to change. :)

[DjStickymuffinz]

i would create a wolf girl name Xena and have her and Peter fall in love

[Lioness_Aslan]

Dj...that wouldn't sound...magical...

[Galadriel]

Does it make sense that Aslan does not have a love interest?

[LifeMaiden]

Well yes LOL Aslan with a love interest would spoil his representation in the books as Jesus :D

I wouldn't change a thing about the books except that I did wish MAYBE Caspian ended up with someone other than Ramandu's daughter ( maybe Susan, and therefore she wouldn't have grown up to reject Narnia..but that would totally change the story. So wishful thinking is best.

[Lucy_QueenofNarnia]

Well yes LOL Aslan with a love interest would spoil his representation in the books as Jesus :D

I wouldn't change a thing about the books except that I did wish MAYBE Caspian ended up with someone other than Ramandu's daughter ( maybe Susan, and therefore she wouldn't have grown up to reject Narnia..but that would totally change the story. So wishful thinking is best.

Hm, I've heard people think Susan and Caspian would be good together, but not so that Susan wouldn't stop believing in Narnia... interesting thought.

I would definitely not add any love interests to the characters...just the way CS Lewis has it written, its almost like as you read it you don't even expect any of them to have those types of feelings toward anyone who isn't related to them.

And I wouldn't change anything else about the books either. They're so original that if I were to change anything, I'd make it less Narnia-ish :p and that would not be a change for the better.

[Ginny_JillPole]

People say is good a romance between su and cas and I say its cool, I mean, its better than Ramandu's daughter. And it would be perfect. We must remember that Andrew change things on the movies of Narnia. So, I wouldn't be weard that Susan and Caspian or someone else could be togheter...

[Cyon Corell]

For the sake of a feature film series, it would be best to stick to the storyline, though for fan films it vud be uber sweet :p . Kinda like an alternate universe series or sumfin. I'm thinking about makin some of the awesome fan fiction I've seen here into films, that is, if my SW fan film gets off the ground. Just for the sake of solving the problem of Susan, since Lewis died before he could resolve it.....kinda like Clausewitz w/ On War. If they (Disney or Walden) won't do it, I will.....heh, heh, hehyeaheh!!! :D

See ya on the flipside, :cool:

Cyon Corell

[Ephinie]

The problem with Susan is the number one thing about the Chronicles that has always bothered me! I guess part of the reason for this is that she was the one I initially identfied with, due mostly to her birth order. I come from a family of four children, and I am the second. Of course, I have three brothers instead of two brothers and a sister. (I really wanted a sister, though. I actually cried when my youngest brother was born, and my dad called from the hospital to tell us it was a boy and not a girl... But, shhhh... don't ever tell him that!)

Another reason that I identified with her was that she gets left out in the end, which is something that speaks deeply to my psyche. I have always felt left out.

And finally... Susan is an archer, which is my primary weapon as well.

Of course, it wasn't until I was a bit older that I saw the differences in character between older Susan and younger Susan. Older Susan is described as, "A proper grown-up lady" who "stays at home and doesn't go to the wars." That is definitely not me! She had so much spunk and spirit when she was young, but she loses it all when she grows older... even inside Narnia.

Lucy, on the other hand, is very docile and sweet as a youngster. Then, she seems to grow up to be somewhat of a warrior queen. She takes up archery as well, as we see when Corin tells Cor that she always rides with the archers when they go to war.

Lucy is called, "the Valiant" whereas Susan is called, "the Gentle." These titles do not describe them very well as girls, but they fit them to a T as adults. I don't think they earned their titles right away in the books... those were something they came to be known as later. But it fits very well in the movie with Aslan bestowing their titles upon them in the very beginning. He was speaking to who they would become.

But yes... if I were to change anything about the books, I would have it so that ONE, Susan did not become a useless pansy when she grew up... and TWO, Susan would not have fallen away in the end.

As for a romance... hrm... the idea of Susan and Caspian getting together is not all that repuslive to me. I really never liked the idea of Caspian with Ramandu's daughter, mostly because the character of Ramandu's daughter is not developed. What see is basically Caspian falling in love with her at first sight because of her beauty... which says nothing to her character or what sort of person she is.

[Queen_Lucy]

I think I would change the end. Yes, I didn't think the end was so nice at all. I mean, nice for them being in Narnia, but dying?! And, for example, what about Jill's parents? What about Susan? What about Eustace's parents? If they could have lived their life in England and then come back, o.k., but it was a bit hard for me to see it end in this way.






omg ... I have just seen the time on the top of my article... it's 7.23!! my own clock reads 9.28! :eek:

[Emily_Cullen]

I would change NOTHING :D

[Ginny_JillPole]

Queen_Lucy is right, they DIED. Its a bit hard and I was wondering about Susan too, Ephinie. About Jil''s parents... well... and scrubb's parents... I think C S Lewis didn't mind about it.

This is an alternative end I gave to the story... it doesn't change anything, of course (I wouldn't dare...) but it show a bit of the Jill's and Scrubb's feelings about it.
Hope u like it.

Jill and Eustace were looking how Lucy and Mr Tumnus were kissing and holding and talking with Peter and Edmund and the beavers.
- Scrubb - said Jill - Aslan said something...
- What, Pole?
- He said we are dead...
- I don't think so, we are just talking, silly, you're alive!
- No, Eustace, listen to me... - Scrubb knew when Jill call him by his Christian name she was talking seriously.
- Aslan just said we are dead in our own world, in England...
- Oh... well... I just...
- I can't think about our parents and friends... and everyone... I will not see them again, we are so far... we can't...
- Well, now that I come to think about that, you're right. We can not go there again... but... i don't think we won't see them again.
- What do you mean?
- I'm just thinking if they... you know... bother! What a dreadfull word... I mean, if they die too, as we are... maybe they could come here too...
- Do you believe we will meet them again? and mother? and father? and our friends?
- OF COURSE YOU WILL - said a voice behind them. it was Aslan.
- YOU WILL MEET THEM... BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE SCARED, DEAREST... COME AND LET ME BREATH ON YOU. - then he did and they forgot all their sadness...
- I SHALL BRING HAPPINESS TO YOUR PARENTS, DONT WORRY. NOW COME, LET'S PLAY, MY CHILDRENS...
then, they went to play...
DID U LIKE IT?

[QueenSusanofNarnia]

I would make Susan be a friend of Narnia in LB and have her die with everyone else. But that's ALL! Seriously.

[Neevil]

I would kill Ramandu's daughter so I could have Caspian!!! Muwahaha!!! LOL jking... I don't think I would change a thing. I like them just the way they are :D

[Lucy_QueenofNarnia]

I would make Susan be a friend of Narnia in LB and have her die with everyone else. But that's ALL! Seriously.

I would like to change that, but then, if you think about it, Susan's issue is one of the main subplots of Narnia. It wouldn't be the same!

[Narborg]

No, I wouldnt change anything....

[fan_of_movie]

Hmmmm...lemme think.
AHA! Eustace and Jill! Well, love is the only magic that exists for real, anyway! :D :D
Well, they would look cute together. Oh, and maybe Digory and Polly.
But that would greatly alter the series.....so maybe not.. :confused:

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START OF SOMETHING NEW............

[General Oreius]

I truly and honestly can't think of any possible romance. None of the characters just seem to fit with each other in that respect. And honestly I don't see how you could put anyone together because C.S. Lewis left absolutely NO room for a romance within the entire series. Maybe Capian had a small crush on Susan, or Tirian on Lucy, but it was never indicated and definitely not said. I'm not saying I'm against a romance, short of incest, but I just don't see any room for it.

[the Large Voice]

The only romance I ever thought of probably wouldn't be possible (two different races): you know in beginning of the Last Battle, when Tirian and Jewel are talking, and suddenly the Dryad comes to plead with him that her tree is being cut down?? Well, I thought it would add some to the story if Tirian had been in love with her. That's all. Leave everything else as is. Ramandu's daughter may not have enough character develpment, but still! She married Caspian and they had Rillian, so that's that - don't go changing all of history!:D

[QueenSusanofNarnia]

Hmmmm...lemme think.
AHA! Eustace and Jill! Well, love is the only magic that exists for real, anyway! :D :D
Well, they would look cute together. Oh, and maybe Digory and Polly.
But that would greatly alter the series.....so maybe not.. :confused:


No! Eustace and Jill...uh-uh...(lol specially if i go audtion for jill ,and office for eustace - no offense, office, but that'd be kinda odd!)
and digory and polly - no way jose!

[Ginny_JillPole]

I'm agree qith queensusanofnarnia, JIll and Eustace...... I don't think so.....
Diggory and Polly... I would be good, they were friends the all life... so...

[Lady Chloe]

LOL, I have no idea... That's a really good question... I wonder why Peter, Edmund, Susan and Lucy never got married while they were in Narnia... But that would give the author issues when they returned home to Earth and then went back to find there wives/husbands dead and their children old or dead as well...

[Ginny_JillPole]

Yup! well, good question!
but I think your right, they couldn't. and I was wondering... didn't they remember about england and their mother and father?? I mean... I don't know... it seems they didn't... but how could they forget about that?

[QueenSusanofNarnia]

Well, they did forget about England after a while, remember? They forgot about it until they found the Lamppost again.I don't think they got married because CS Lewis didn't want them to. Anyways, they were probably too buys ruling and stuff.
Also - you know what happened in HHB when they tried to get Susan...

[MrsKeynes x3]

Yeah, I'd deffinetly not change anything. C.S. Lewis had a reason for everything he wrote, I also think that if we actually had the power to change the books, it'd be rude because he passed away and the books are what we have left of him. I also just think that everything in each book sort of had a domino effect in a way...if that makes any sence.

[Copperfox]

One thing I wish Mr. Lewis had done is identify OTHER countries in the Narnian world. We know that there WERE some other countries, because the end of "The Horse And His Boy" states that the restrictions on Rabadash resulted in relief for smaller nations.

Although the Narnian world is flat, I have wondered if it might have "hemispheres" with respect to climate. If so, then if you travelled south past Calormen, the climate might grow cooler again.

Be that as it may, let me share an idea I once had for a pastiche story.
At some time after the reign of King Frank and Queen Helen, but before the invasion by Jadis, one particular group of Talking Animals becomes disaffected and malcontent: the Talking Tigers. Since a tiger is bigger and stronger than a normal lion, these tigers become stupidly resentful that Aslan chose to wear the appearance of a lion instead of a tiger. Talking Elephants try to reason with the tigers, pointing out that an elephant can massacre a tiger, yet the elephants don't get sulky about Aslan not assuming the shape of an elephant. But like humans who get worked up over a phony grievance, the tigers refuse to give up their self-pity, and finally abandon Narnia to seek a home somewhere in the never-described-to-us far south. That explains why there are no tigers among animal heroes in the books.

Joseph Ravitts (pronounced RAY-vitts)

[Copperfox]

Recall that, in "The Magician's Nephew," the human population of Narnia began with only one nuclear family, the cabbie's family. Lewis didn't want brother-sister incest occurring, so he stated that the sons and daughters
were able to marry human-LIKE beings and have offspring with them. The existence of Dr. Cornelius, likewise, proves that Narnian dwarfs can reproduce with humans. (And whatever Tolkien imagined, I refuse to believe that female dwarfs in Narnia would be disfigured with beards! I was so short and runty in high school, I would have been grateful to get a date with a Narnian dwarf-girl.)

Joseph Ravitts
Columbia, Maryland

empowerfreedom@verizon.net

[CaliNarnia13]

OMG I think Polly and Digory would be the cutest couple EVER! Ahem, sorry I'm a huge Polly/Digory shipper in fanfiction. Doesn't any1 agree with me?!

[Danny Darnia]

OMG.....Yeah....Diggory/Polly and also Eustace/Jill.....great idea :D

[Lila]

I think everybody posting on this thread is CRAZY. Really, I do.

[.:God's Princess:.]

I think everybody posting on this thread is CRAZY. Really, I do.
Yeah, I love the books as they are! And C.S. Lewis wrote them to be innocent! So ya'll are crazy!

[Alambil and Tarvis]

I don't see what's so wrong about Ramandu's Daughter either. I actually like her...anyway, I do agree that her character could have been more developed. And it would be nice if she had a name, although Lewis didn't give her one to make her persona more mysterious and mystical.

As for any other shippings...I would add a little Eustace/Jill and maybe even a little Lucy/Corin in HHB, but not too much, because then that would ruin the books, and they are awesome as they are.

[CaliNarnia13]

I only wish that something didn't happen between Polly and Digory that kept them from marrying each other. I like to think they DID get married :D. Maybe they got married in Real Narnia... hey, I can dream can't I?!

Oh and Jill/Eustace, that's adorable as well.

[PrinceOfTheWest]

I'm stepping in here to remove some posts that took this already risky topic well over the edge. This forum is "family-friendly", which means we want parents to know that their youngsters can browse here without getting hit by things that aren't appropriate for them to see. There are things that are not discussed here, and those posts dealt with them (no matter what the angle).
Sorry, folk, this isn't a democracy.

[Parthian King]

I only wish that something didn't happen between Polly and Digory that kept them from marrying each other. I like to think they DID get married :D. Maybe they got married in Real Narnia... hey, I can dream can't I?!

Oh and Jill/Eustace, that's adorable as well.

If I may say, Lewis wrote in a different (I think more wholesome) age, in which every relationship between pre-adolescent and early adolescent boys and girls was not automatically sexualized. He was also writing children's books, and to include pais of protagonists--evenly divided between the sexes--is a literary strategy to broaden his appeal and give all children someone in the story to identify with.

The relatiionship betwen a man and a woman is holy and sanctioned by Scripture, and I am not arguing for sterile Platonism. But I am suggesting that it is a sign of the times that we even consider going back and imposing upon innocent children's stories the paradigms of adult relationship almost as a matter of course, because in our world that's they way things have gone.

In other words, I think it far better to sit at the feet of Lewis and learn from the relationships as they are presented--as innocent, simple childhood friendships--rather than fantasize, imagine, or posit in anyway how things could/should have been written to "romanticize" (read: "sexualize") these relationships. Sure, some things are conditioned byt he age we live in. But others things are timeless truths, and I think the lessons Lewis teaches fall in that category.

[Lila]

I'm stepping in here to remove some posts that took this already risky topic well over the edge. This forum is "family-friendly", which means we want parents to know that their youngsters can browse here without getting hit by things that aren't appropriate for them to see. There are things that are not discussed here, and those posts dealt with them (no matter what the angle).
Sorry, folk, this isn't a democracy.

Thanks POTW! This thread really needed that. I think it's important to keep this forum family-friendly. :D

[Copperfox]

Whatever has become of the Iranian culture in these troublesome times, it must be remembered that Cyrus the Great (or Kurosh, as a friendly Iranian once told me he was really called) was the great liberator of the Jews at the end of the Babylonian Exile. And the Three Wise Men who came to honor the baby Jesus were probably from the Parthian Empire; they would have had contact with Diaspora Jews still living in Persian territory, making the coming of Messiah a familiar topic to them.

About expounding relationships OTHER than romantic: it is a good counterweight to the modern obsession with you-know-what. Although marital love is a normal and good thing, a character who is NOT preoccupied with romantic hopes may achieve especially great things, as the Apostle Paul realized. Though I am a married man myself and would not want to be otherwise, I admire characters in stories who are TOTALLY dedicated to a righteous cause: Gandalf in LOTR, Obi-Wan in Star Wars, etc.

That said, I'll bet that if Mr. Lewis had himself gotten married sooner in life, he _would_ have let Digory and Polly get married.

[CaliNarnia13]

That said, I'll bet that if Mr. Lewis had himself gotten married sooner in life, he _would_ have let Digory and Polly get married.

HECK YES!!!! SOME1 AGREES WITH ME!!!! Polly and Digory were meant 2 b 2gether... they were 2gether

[PrinceOfTheWest]

Now, this intrigues me. In Lewis' literary world, Digory and Polly were together, all their lives, as fast friends. In what way would a romantic component to their relationship improve that? I mean, romance is fine and all that, but it has pitfalls of its own. Is a romance a better type of relationship than a sound friendship? As far as Digory and Polly being "meant to be together" - well, their creator (Lewis) didn't think so, so that should settle the question, shouldn't it? Unless one views Lewis' lack of doing so as being some sort of oversight or misstep on his part, possibly due to some psychological condition of his (such as his longtime bachelorhood). But that's still assuming that there's something inevitable - indeed, something ideal - about a man and a woman becoming romantically involved with one another. But need that be the case? Is not good friendship as ideal a relational status as romance?

[ugot2lovme]

Always in almost anything between best friends in books and movies ends in romance and that's why i think the romance between Polly and Digory is better. who would u like to fall in love with a best friend that you've know all your life. and that you know how they really think and act. or with someone you just met and you don't know how they really are. i would choose my best friend. Who would you choose?;)

[PrinceOfTheWest]

Well, I think there are two separate questions there.

The first question deals with the issue of who would make a good mate for life. In answer to that, I would agree with you: typically good friends who marry tend to make better matches than people who are swept off their feet by some romantic encounter only to find themselves married to a stranger. I was very good friends with my wife before we even began talking about marriage, and the most stable couples I know are people who were friends before marriage, some dating back to childhood.

The second question is the issue of whether romance is necessary to "complete" some relationship, especially one between a man and woman. In the post-Romantic age, the prevailing cultural attitude seems to be that the pinnacle that any relationship can reach is romance - being "in love" (however that is defined.) One gets the impression, especially in the entertainment media, that any male-female relationship that doesn't end in a clinch (or, these days, between the sheets) has somehow fallen short of the ideal.

Culturally and historically, this is an unusual attitude, as Lewis points out in The Four Loves. The ancient Greeks put far more value in true friendship as an end in itself, instead of as a steppingstone to something else. I think Lewis reflected that well when he had Digory and Polly remain sound friends, but friends only, for their entire lives. It wasn't that he was against marriage - in fact, most of the protagonists of That Hideous Strength were couples - but he understood that romantic relationships were a mixed bag, and not where every relationship was destined.

[Crimson]

Why would anyone wanna change any of the books anyway? They are perfectly fine, and it does not bother me a tad bit that no one atcually 'falls in love'

and oh yeah, who said Lucy and Corin should be together? Like HELLO!! They are very far in Age!!!! I mean, Corin is a young Prince, and Lucy is a grown-woman....lol..think before you post something like that :rolleyes: and Cor is about 14, at least I saw a timeline once where it did say that, and that means Corin would be 14 also, him being Cor's brother and all.

[~Grateful * Surrender~]

I love the books but I always thought that Eustace and Jill had something more than just a frindship. But that's just me.

[Crimson]

yes, that is JUST you ^^

[~Grateful * Surrender~]

I am sorry if I offended you by anythign that I just said TN.

[CaliNarnia13]

Aww... I feel like my Polly/Digory shipping parade just got rained on. I've written tons of fanfictions about them being together. THEY'RE JUST SO CUTE TOGETHER! Oh wells...

[Copperfox]

For what it's worth, Cali, I also think there would have been nothing wrong with Digory and Polly getting married. I respect the arguments for showing friendship as valuable in itself even without romantic love; but then, the spouses in any really good marriage WILL BE friends as well as lovers.

If you've read entries of mine on this forum, you know that I had one wife who was called home to Heaven in 2004, and that I'm now married again. Both of my wives were my FRIENDS for a long time BEFORE there was romance between us.

Joseph Ravitts (pronounced RAY-vitts)

http://ut-fidem-praestem.blogspot.com

[MrsKeynes x3]

I deffinetly agree with The Forgiven Traitor.

[Ginny_JillPole]

Well, I've been always saying that Jill and Eustace were like brother and sister. Eustace takes care of her like if he was his oldest brother, you can read it in TLB and they're best friends. I think, if they hadn't died by the railway accident, they would have some romance...
But it wouldn't be nice at all if I get to play Jill and Office gets to play Eustace... he's younger than me, haha, though you can't say exactly our age when you see us.
Digory and Polly... it would be nice. of course, when they're old!!!

I agree a bit with Forgiven traitor and Mrs. Keynes!

[miss_elizabeth]

of course...that the Pevensie children should have a love interests...(young love was just sooo sweet..!) especially Edmund and Peter...hahahahaha :D

[Danny Darnia]

We can see like this:

When Pete in age of 22....before the train accident, actually he had a girlfriend and he want to purposed her when they get back from the Professor's House. But, what could say...that the train accident made him should forget it.
That's not the end.....in Narnia, after the end of Narnia, in new Narnia...King Peter finally found his bride.....those girl entered the new Narnia too..... :D

That's Peter's happy ending :D

LOL